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cyberghostface ([info]cyberghostface) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-16 16:21:00

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Entry tags:char: betty brant, char: flash thompson, char: human torch/johnny storm, char: invisible woman/susan storm, char: j. jonah jameson jr., char: may parker, char: mr. fantastic/reed richards, char: spider-man/peter parker, char: the thing/ben grimm, creator: dan slott, group: fantastic four, publisher: marvel comics, title: amazing spider-man

Amazing Spider-Man #591
Four pages from yesterday's Amazing, highlighting the points that will likely have people talking.

So, last issue ended with the Human Torch unmasking Spider-Man and looking shot. The opening page of this issue has Spider-Man--with no head. So much for it being a cop out like we all thought, right? RIGHT?



One of the subplots throughout the issue is what's going on with Peter's friends and family outside of the macroverse. That is, lots of time (two months) is going by. Scans_Daily members pointed out that the logic is completely wonky--that is, time should be going slower outside, not vice versa. But whatever...



So MJ tries calling Pete but the message is erased? OH, THE TYPICAL PARKER LUCK! 

Also, the old guy with Aunt May is none other than Jonah's dad.

Back with the Fantastic Four...



And finally...the big reveal of who's going to be the Mayor of New York? Is it Mr. Negative? Norman Osborn? Or is it...



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On Jonah as Mayor of NYC:
[info]box_in_the_box
2009-04-16 03:37 pm UTC (link)
What's really sad about this? This would actually qualify as an entertainingly good story idea - and even something approaching a new one, at least by NuSpidey standards, in spite of a certain bald billionaire already making it to the White House in DC Comics - except that Marvel is so inept that they somehow managed to upstage themselves, by already putting Norman Osborn in charge of all of America.

When the Green Goblin and his team of unrepentant supervillains already have full government license to arrest and execute every unlicensed superhero in America, how much worse can J. Jonah Jameson make Spider-Man's life, just by being mayor of New York City? That's like finding out that the guy who raped and murdered your wife just got elected president, and has already repealed the Bill of Rights, but then being told that your new boss at work was one of the teachers that you simply didn't like back in high school. Somehow, I suspect that first revelation is gonna sting so much more than the second one that it might even succeed in numbing the pain of that relatively lesser trauma.

Which is why, from a dramatic standpoint, this actually fails on two fronts.

On the first front, it's an anti-climax to have Jonah, an unbearable asshole who nonetheless possesses some bare minimum standard of basic human decency, be the follow-up "villain" to Norman, who's been transformed over the years into the most singular and powerful personification of pure sociopathic evil in the entire Marvel Universe. After all, even Mephisto is considered less of a credible threat than Norman, in spite of the universe-altering powers that Mephisto demonstrated in "One More Day," and only the Red Skull is more personally detestable than Norman, and that's only because I'm pretty sure that saying that any other Marvel character could be as bad as the Red Skull technically falls under the heading of Godwin's Law, given the Red Skull's politics.

And on the second front, since it doesn't make Spider-Man's life any more dangerous than it already was (and it doesn't), then it just comes across as yet another way of hammering home the Charlie Brown theme of "Boy, Peter Parker's life sure does suck, to a degree so extreme that it completely defies all the laws of probability!" At this point, you might as well follow it up by revealing that Mary Jane broke up with Peter because he has a small penis, and given what we've already seen from Quesada and the "brain trust" on NuSpidey, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if that actually happened, especially since the Quesada-approved Spider-Man: Reign already gave us a full-frontal nude shot of Peter looking less well-endowed than Jude Law on a cold day, and also revealed that his radioactive spider-sperm would wind up giving Mary Jane terminal cancer, AND NO, I AM NOT MAKING ANY OF THIS UP.

It's really a shame, because at another time, and with better writers and editors, this really could have been something fun, but as it stands, it's nothing more than another "meh" moment in the NuSpidey era.

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Re: On Jonah as Mayor of NYC:
[info]shadeedge
2009-04-16 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I can sort of see this working, but in terms of Jonah having one of his "Hey, Spider-man isn't all that bad after all" fits. I'd like to see him start off getting on Spidey's case, but get pressure from (way) above to fuck around with the guy even more, beyond what Jonah's willing to do, and ending up sticking up for him on the basis of being against a greater threat.

Like you say, J.J.J. has a minimum standard of decency - let's see him actually using that decency to protect Spidey, because the guy may be a menace but some people are worse.

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(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-04-16 06:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-04-16 06:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-04-16 06:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rabican, 2009-04-24 09:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-04-24 10:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rabican, 2009-04-24 10:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-04-24 10:49 pm UTC
Re: On Jonah as Mayor of NYC:
[info]xdoop
2009-04-16 06:48 pm UTC (link)
JJ's actually been portrayed pretty sympathetically post-OMD. I don't think him being the mayor will be another "villain in control" storyline ala Norman Osborn.

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(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-04-16 06:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xdoop, 2009-04-16 06:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rabican, 2009-04-24 09:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-04-16 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-04-16 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-05-24 07:32 pm UTC

[info]foxhack
2009-04-16 03:48 pm UTC (link)
So wait. If he reveals his identity to anyone, then that person's memories get restored?

So what he's saying is that all the characters who saw his face in that issue of whatever Avengers remember all the stuff they did at Avengers Tower? And the unmasking? All of it?

What? This doesn't have any sort of logic to it!

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[info]ghosty732
2009-04-16 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Sue: OH! Peter Parker! I remember now! Hey... didn't you have a wife?

It's what we all wish would happen.

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[info]box_in_the_box
2009-04-16 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Neither does the "Time moves faster in the Microverse than in our universe, so if we stay here in the Microverse, much more time will have passed in our own universe than has here!" plot point.

Let's not forget, they justified one of the largest changes to one of their most prominent characters' status quos with the words, "It's magic ..."

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[info]neotoma
2009-04-16 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Didn't this already happen -- in The Flash, when Wally *accidentally* got the Spectre to erase everyone's knowledge of his secret identity (including his own... oops)?

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(no subject) - [info]liliaeth, 2009-04-17 02:41 am UTC

[info]zegim
2009-04-17 12:37 am UTC (link)
No. It just ~*~ makes sense ~*~.

If they see him unmasked, it makes sense for them that Peter is Spider-Man. Other wise it doesn't and they can't connect the dots.

Fuck me if I understand how this works.

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-04-16 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Okay, so gratuitous panel of "fuck you" to the fans who want this to be over: check.

Yup, they're still pricks.

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[info]box_in_the_box
2009-04-16 04:11 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad somebody else said it. Thank you.

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[info]zegim
2009-04-17 12:43 am UTC (link)
Even if you want this to be over, the resolution of the cliffhanger from the last number was a "fuck you", anyway :(

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[info]warpedhand
2009-04-16 03:55 pm UTC (link)
So does Richards actually listen to anything he says, or does he just spew stuff to make himself sound smart? Because the next thing you ask after you discover that yes, someone did screw with reality is "Who is doing it and why?"

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[info]box_in_the_box
2009-04-16 04:12 pm UTC (link)
Seriously. Even LARRY KING would be asking that as a follow-up question.

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(no subject) - [info]lbd_nytetrayn, 2009-04-16 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-04-16 10:53 pm UTC

[info]kali921
2009-04-16 04:20 pm UTC (link)
It's maybe not a tribute to Slott that the thing that stayed with me most after reading this issue was "Peter still uses an answering machine?" He can't afford voice mail? :-( The dig at the end about Aunt May's love life -- "Eww" -- is a bit weird, too. I think Aunt May having a love life is sweet, not gross.)

Otherwise, it's nice to see that Marvel's at least allowing Peter to trust Reed, Johnny, Sue, and Ben again. But what does that "You'll remember everything" actually mean?

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[info]box_in_the_box
2009-04-16 04:37 pm UTC (link)
"Peter still uses an answering machine?" He can't afford voice mail?

Bear in mind, these are the same writers who established that Peter doesn't even have a COMPUTER, much less an Internet connection. Of course, never mind that part of the whole CORE CONCEPT of Peter Parker is that he's a NERD, because in order to make him an "everyman" that THEY can "relate to," Marvel's writers and editors have made every effort possible to downplay his intelligence.

Also, Quesada's Marvel is CREEPY-schizo about Aunt May's sexuality - on the one hand, one of the fundamental underpinnings of the Ultimate Marvel universe was playing up Ultimate Aunt May as a sort-of GMILF, and let's not forget that Jemas and Quesada also jointly commissioned the Trouble miniseries, which attempted to retcon May into being Peter's MOTHER, by way of a TEENAGE PREGNANCY, no less, on account of teenage May being super-promiscuous (and no, don't try and figure out how May could give birth to Peter as a teen, but still be an old woman now), but at the same time, they affect this "Ewww, gross!" tone whenever they actually address the implications of her being a sexual person.

But what does that "You'll remember everything" actually mean?

Marvel itself doesn't know what it means. On Tom Brevoort's blog, they admitted that the reason it took them so long to tell the story of how Harry came back to life was because they didn't know themselves yet.

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(no subject) - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-04-16 05:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lbd_nytetrayn, 2009-04-16 10:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arilou_skiff, 2009-04-17 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-04-19 09:55 am UTC

[info]sherkahn
2009-04-16 04:42 pm UTC (link)
I don't think they will remember the day he came out to the world and showed off his identity to the world in Civil War #2.

What it means, I don't know.

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(no subject) - [info]kali921, 2009-04-16 06:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-04-16 11:39 pm UTC

[info]liliaeth
2009-04-16 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Oh that's just Slott's way of making sure that 'his' story is still in continuity. You know, because something he wrote a few years back, is more important than the twenty years of continuity that they just love to ignore.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-04-16 08:02 pm UTC

[info]stratosfyr
2009-04-16 06:43 pm UTC (link)
"Peter still uses an answering machine?" He can't afford voice mail?

I've always wondered why anyone would bother paying for voice mail if they could just get an answering machine. I mean they pay for themselves in a few months, mostly they're built into phones now anyway, you can screen calls if you're so inclined, and you don't have to do any dialing to hear your messages -- you just press "play."

I mean, sure, if it were a tape-based machine, that'd be retro.

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(no subject) - [info]kali921, 2009-04-16 06:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stratosfyr, 2009-04-16 07:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kali921, 2009-04-16 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stratosfyr, 2009-04-16 07:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-04-17 02:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kali921, 2009-04-17 09:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-04-17 03:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]foxhack, 2009-04-16 10:07 pm UTC

[info]filkertom
2009-04-16 04:54 pm UTC (link)
So, are they retconning OMD/BND? Just asking, I've missed the updates 'n' stuff. Oh, and I threw up in my mouth a little every time I thought about how Marvel had shat on Spidey and fandom. Just a thing.

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[info]liliaeth
2009-04-16 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Unfortunately no. That would require Quesada to actually get a brain and realize how much he's screwing up anything to do with Spider-Man.

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(no subject) - [info]cyberghostface, 2009-04-16 06:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stratosfyr, 2009-04-16 07:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-04-16 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stratosfyr, 2009-04-16 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-04-16 09:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arilou_skiff, 2009-04-17 01:11 am UTC

[info]long_silence
2009-04-16 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Wait what? The Fantastic Four just found out that Spider-Man messed around with the memories and minds of not only them, but every single person on Earth, essentially raping their minds, and they don't really give a damn? What gives him the right to mindwipe humanity, how do they know that his identity was the only thing he took away and replaced?

Also Sue it's kinda hilarious that you're saying that it's wrong for heroes to be forcibly unmasked when your husband was one of the major supporters of the Registration Act, and he's still completely sure that it could have worked as long as Tony Stark and skrull Pym weren't a part of the process.

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(no subject) - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-04-16 11:44 pm UTC

[info]ashtoreth
2009-04-17 01:37 am UTC (link)
Man, I was pissed when I saw that first page. Thought Mephisto made it so "NO YOU CAN NEVER UNMASK AND GET CLOSE TO ANYBODY MUAHAHA"

I'm happy about the reveal, in general. You'd think they'd be curious what happened, but world mindwipes are disturbingly common. Maybe Spiderman himself doesn't remember why he suddenly isn't remembered. (Bendis didn't have the Avengers remember though..)

I'm delighted to see JJJ's new status. Dark Reign seems to be mostly about other books, so it shouldn't interfere immediately. But I demand that Jonah finally get a public statue put up!

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-04-17 02:56 am UTC (link)
Well, it looks like my previous prediction that the FF knowing Spidey's secret ID would soon be canon again has come true. I am glad - that is a pretty heartwarming panel there, where they're all saying hi to their friend. Please let it stay this way - please, please, please.
Oh, and while I can certainly understand the negative reactions to the final page, I must admit, it fills me with glee. The huge TV image of J.J.J flashing the 'victory' sign, Spidey's reaction, the ''Nuff said!' - it's a classic Marvel moment. It'd fit perfectly into a comic from the '60's or '70's.
Incidentally, I could be wrong, but is this the first time a Marvel character has actually SAID ''Nuff said'? It shows up in editorial blurbs a lot, and is generally considered one of those classic Stan Lee-isms, along with 'Excelsior!' and all that - but as far as I know, no one in the comics has actually said it up 'til now. Am I wrong, or is this actually a minor milestone of sorts?
(Also - the 'debut' of the Vulture? I was under the impression that the Vulture 'debuted' some forty years ago or so. Is this a new one - because if so, then hel-LO there, unnecessary new character!)

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(no subject) - [info]statham1986, 2009-04-17 03:41 am UTC

[info]statham1986
2009-04-17 03:38 am UTC (link)
One of the things that REALLY pissed me off about the reveal of this, and Slott talking to one of the New York papers about it, was that he says Spider-Man 24-7 is all about Spidey deliberately being Spider-Man all day, every day, specifically to piss Jonah off.

So whatever happened to fucking 'power and responsibility', huh? Donning a costume to piss off the Mayor of New York City, a man who was in the hospital recently with severe health problems, just because you don't like each other very much, strikes me as really immature.

Seriously, I know the focus of JJJ's tenure as New York Mayor will be finding ways to get to Spider-Man, but the man will have more than enough weight on his shoulders without Peter being a prick.

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(no subject) - [info]addude, 2009-04-17 03:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]statham1986, 2009-04-18 03:45 am UTC

[info]janegray
2009-04-17 06:30 am UTC (link)
...This is even worse when you have recently reread the original awesome unmasking in the Spidey/Torch mini. It's like eating crap right after tasting honey.

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(no subject) - [info]scottyquick, 2009-04-23 10:15 pm UTC


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