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sandoz_iscariot (sandoz_iscariot) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-06 20:13:00

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Scans from Empowered vol. 3
I can now add Empowered to my list of comics I bought because of Scans_Daily. In celebration, here's the Scans_Dailiest of the book's chapters. I'm 99% sure this was posted in the old comm, but well, you know.

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lonewolf23k
2009-04-06 07:39 pm UTC (link)

Having known some gay guys, I have to confirm Heavy Artillery's opinion on how gays feel about Yaoi art.

If I can paraphrase from memory what I read in a blog once...

"Real Gay sex isn't pretty and flowery like you see in Yaoi art. Real Gay sex is about Guys having sex with Guys. And when we do it, it isn't pretty. We grunt. We sweat. We claw. We bite. We swear. And we get really messy."

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	bluefall 2009-04-06 07:57 pm UTC (link)
	Similarly, I don't know any lesbians who get much more than a gigglesnort out of girl-on-girl porn. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hopeofdawn 2009-04-06 08:05 pm UTC (link)
	Having also known at least a couple gay guys who were into yaoi, I'd say that opinion might not be as universal as you thought ... And speaking as a fangirl who's read gay erotica/porn written by (presumably) homosexual authors, I can definitely say the feeling goes both ways for the 'doesn't do anything for me' camp ... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	surlytmpl 2009-04-07 12:10 am UTC (link)
	I'm a gay guy and I have to say yaoi kind of leaves me cold. On the other hand, Patrick Fillon's blow-up Ken dolls don't exactly thrill me, either. I dunno, I guess I'm ore of an Ironwood or Phil Foglio fan, where sex is just part of the fun and not the main focus. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lonewolf23k 2009-04-08 06:55 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, Phil Foglio rules. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	whatistriestine 2009-04-07 09:41 pm UTC (link)
	So, gay sex is like straight sex. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jarodrussell 2009-04-06 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	Why is it not June yet?! (Reply to this)

besamim
2009-04-06 07:49 pm UTC (link)

Okay, I've never read Empowered before, but that is hilarious. Major Havoc turning yaoi about him and his pals into yet another source of male sexism...Classic.

Reminds me of an article I read years ago about fanfic; it included an excerpt from a slash fic about Eminem and Marky Mark (this was not long after both had become notorious for gay-bashing in their lyrics and/or interviews). I can totally picture them discovering that slash and going through the same stages Major Havoc does.

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box_in_the_box
2009-04-06 08:59 pm UTC (link)

Speaking as a straight guy myself, this is why, in a very real sense, it's almost impossible to equalize the inherent "objectification" inequity between men and women, because whenever certain women start saying, "Oh, YEAH? Well, how would YOU GUYS like it if YOU were reduced to the sum total of your genitals, and wound up as nothing more than an object for the opposite sex to masturbate over?" I will GUARANTEE you that, no matter HOW degrading the scenario, SOME group of guys WILL still manage to get off on being objectified in that fashion. And worse yet? A LOT of the guys who get off on it will STILL be raging sexists.

This is what happens when you have a gender that's so desperate for visual aids to masturbate over, during their teenage years, that if Hustler or Penthouse or Playboy or even the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue aren't available, they'll find a way to get off while looking at the SEARS/MONTGOMERY-WARD CATALOG (not that I know anything about that, and WOW I am really dating myself).

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besamim
2009-04-06 09:09 pm UTC (link)

I've heard that back before Playboy and such, teenage guys would get off on National Geographic pictorials, which back then often featured photos of naked hunter-gatherer women. Or if available, they'd make use of nudist/naturist magazines. And then you have the public library's photography and art books, the, er, misuse of which has been the bane of library staff for decades.

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	halloweenjack 2009-04-08 03:47 pm UTC (link)
	Don't forget underwear ads in the paper and department store catalogs. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	halloweenjack 2009-04-08 03:48 pm UTC (link)
	durr, missed K-Box's noting of such above. (Reply to this) (Parent)

bluefall
2009-04-06 09:28 pm UTC (link)

Well, it's hard to feel hurt by something you can get away from. Guys are simply assumed to have sexual choice, period, even when they don't - it's completely ingrained, to the point where our culture, on the whole, can't even conceive of a situation where the power is *genuinely* completely with the woman (hence the general attitude toward female-on-male rape, both statutory and otherwise). It's like... okay, two pets are hanging out, a dog and a parrot, and the dog keeps turning the thermostat down in the parrot's room because he doesn't like the noise the heater makes. So the parrot goes "well, what if I turned the heat down in your room," but the dog goes, "um, what if you did?" Because the dog has a fur coat, he doesn't give a shit. See, the real question is actually, "what if I made you as cold as you made me," but the parrot simply doesn't *have* that power. And she can't describe being cold to the dog, who has no frame of reference for it. So they can only talk about the thermostat, which doesn't carry the same meaning for them, so the parrot's kind of screwed.

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jarodrussell
2009-04-07 01:12 pm UTC (link)

Is there a solution to this? To give the dog a common frame of reference, someone would be to shave him so he knows how cold the parrot feels; to keep the parrot warm despite the dog's actions, she'd have to completely cover herself from head-to-toe to be immune to the dog's preference. Neither of those seem to be ideal solutions in the real world. Have there ever been other, more ideal solutions suggested to bridge perspective divide?

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	jarodrussell 2009-04-07 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	Catalogs? Weren't those like Amazon, but printed on trees? Maybe they were made from parts of the Amazon! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	whatistriestine 2009-04-07 09:54 pm UTC (link)
	Bear in mind though that such treatment of women is an all-encompassing, all-imbuing feature of our culture (if not most cultures) and has been through centuries. Imagining a reverse situation would require a re-imagining of such fundamentals that I don't think either of us can say what it would look like. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	halloweenjack 2009-04-08 03:49 pm UTC (link)
	And, if you were in a city with a large and/or progressive-enough library, there was always The Joy of Sex. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hybrid2 2009-04-06 08:16 pm UTC (link)
	I got the first trade last week. :-) (Reply to this)

	neuhallidae 2009-04-06 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	What's the old phrase? "Can't shame the shameless"? (Reply to this)

	janegray 2009-04-07 03:54 pm UTC (link)
	I just really love that the heroine is a yaoi fangirl ^_^ (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2009-04-09 10:18 am UTC (link)
	Loved Emp's evil laugh. Great to see this here! (Reply to this)

	scottyquick 2009-09-12 12:00 am UTC (link)
	FFFFFFFFFF- This comic is #1 on my "NEED" list. (Reply to this)