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seriousfic (seriousfic) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-05 10:14:00

Scott meets Archangel/Death
You remember, when Apocalypse turned Warren Worthington III into one of his evil Four Horsemen?

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	icon_uk 2009-04-05 10:34 am UTC (link)
	Nor is "fires energy blasts", but how many of THOSE do the X-Men have? Angel was already known as the best natural flier in the MU, and had been known to use weaponry. He's no more ineffectual than, say Hawkman. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

seriousfic
2009-04-05 10:50 am UTC (link)

But at least Hawkman has a mace. In lot of these old X-Men stories, Warren just flies around punching people.

Though you could argue about their relative ineffectualness vis-a-vie their teams. The X-Men have stuff like a telepath, a guy who shoots optic blasts, a guy with superhuman strength and agility. Not too shabby, but not the be-all and end-all of superheroes either.

The JLA has a guy who can travel at the speed of light, a man who can push the world out of orbit, a woman who can push the world out of orbit with slightly more effort and has an invisible jet. So there are circumstances where Angel could come in handy to the X-Men, whereas anything Hawkman can do is generally covered by Green Lantern thinking hard. :)

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icon_uk
2009-04-05 11:03 am UTC (link)

True, but he originally carried a gas-gun, which he stopped using for no apparent reason, and for extended periods did use a mace too (last seen in The Champions I think, he borrowed it from Hercules)

Team dynamics are always fascinating, but it depends on how they are form. The JLA suffers in some ways from the fact that it's a "Best of..." team, and usually has no actual "made for the JLA" heroes at it's core.

Teams like the X-Men, Legion and New Mutants were all conceived as teams, and so were composed of lower powered members who function better as a unit.

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	seriousfic 2009-04-05 11:09 am UTC (link)
	They really need to think up a distinctive, useful weapons for Angel. If Gambit can have a bo staff and Wolverine can have claws, surely they can spare Angel something to add a little more oomph to his power set. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-04-05 11:19 am UTC (link)
	I'd have left him with the mace to be honest, and the gas gun could have been modified into an assortment of non-lethal grenades which he could drop from on high ("utility guano" so to speak!); sonics, emetics, anaesthetics... Archangel with his razorwings and fletchette feathers was going a step too far IMHO. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

seriousfic
2009-04-05 11:23 am UTC (link)

But the mace is too much like Hawkman. It's like giving Captain Marvel heatvision. At least fletchette feathers fit in with the character's power. Spider-Man has spider-powers and webshooters, Archangel has wings and deadly feathers. More than that and you risk turning him into the Punisher with wings.

Besides which, Scott is the one with the Olympic-level understanding of geometry, so giving Warren grenades is like bypassing Black Cat to give Spider-Man a push-up bra and high heels. You're just not playing to people's strengths.

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icon_uk
2009-04-05 11:32 am UTC (link)

At least fletchette feathers fit in with the character's power

Barely. I'd say that, as "lethal feathers" are not an aspect of any bird known to man, it's just as pointless an addition as giving him flaming elbows or the like.

And I'm not sure I see what dropping grenades from a height has to with an innate understanding of 3D geometry. Warren has been mentioned as having super-acute eyesight making him a more than adequate bomber (as in the "WWII plane" sense of the term).

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	filbypott 2009-04-05 11:52 am UTC (link)
	I'd say that, as "lethal feathers" are not an aspect of any bird known to man Well, there's the Stymphalian birds, but then you're mixing your mythoi. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-04-05 11:54 am UTC (link)
	So THAT'S what they were called, THANKS! I was looking up Stygian and Styxian because I was SURE there was a mythical bird like that, but I couldn't remember the proper name! :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

seriousfic
2009-04-05 12:05 pm UTC (link)

But feathers are an aspect of a bird, so "feathers + hurting people" is a logical extrapolation. Just like real spiders don't shoot weblines around and swing off buildings, but webshooters are a logical extrapolation of Spider-Man's power set.

And for the real trick shots, like bouncing a grenade around or throwing it so it incapacitates hostiles but only mildly inconveniences hostiles, 3D geometry would come in handy. Because if you're just dropping grenades on people, there's this thing called gravity that is just as handy.

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	icon_uk 2009-04-05 12:16 pm UTC (link)
	Because if you're just dropping grenades on people, there's this thing called gravity that is just as handy. Which is pretty much my point, since Angel can drop them with more accuracy, and from heights beyond the reach of opponents, more efficiently than any other X-man. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-04-05 08:16 pm UTC (link)
	Physics would agree. Grenades are really heavy. Also non-reusable. It seems a touch dorky though. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kaileighblue 2009-04-05 05:56 pm UTC (link)
	He had Exile-Magik's soul sword for a bit. Or is that ignorable because it was Austen. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	squirle 2009-04-05 07:29 pm UTC (link)
	I go with the X-Men #1 cover, and vote for making Warren's distinctive weapon a bazooka. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	filbypott 2009-04-05 11:51 am UTC (link)
	Well hey, Batman just punches people, so Angel has a head up on him there ;) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	seriousfic 2009-04-05 12:02 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, but Batman is the world's greatest detective, so he gets point for being the team brains. It's like how Hannibal is leader of the A-team. Sure, anyone can handle a M-16 rifle, but who's going to come up with the plan? That he loves to see come together? (Reply to this) (Parent)

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