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arbre_rieur (arbre_rieur) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-02 12:25:00

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creator: grant morrison, creator: mark waid, publisher: boom!, title: irredeemable

Grant Morrison on typecasting and the Internet
The first issue of Mark Waid's new creator-owned superhero comic, Irredeemable, came out yesterday. It's about the world's greatest superhero becoming its greatest supervillain. Anyway, it has an afterword by Grant Morrison, who, in-between praising the book, discusses how society has a strong tendency to typecast not just actors but people in general, inluding writers.

Is this entry legal? Here, one page from the issue, to cover my bases --

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bluefall
2009-04-03 10:33 am UTC (link)

Nope, half the population doesn't die in Final Crisis.

Yep, they do. Three billion in ice trays. What happened to the other three billion?

We haven't seen Montoya since FC, Jeez!

And yet, we know from Rucka and solicits exactly what's being done with her.

I fail to see the retconning there.

Cuz he's dead? And he's going to still be dead in FC? Oh, right, it was an "alternate dimension Aquaman." Uh-huh.

it was retconned because DC changed their mind.

... Which is exactly "we let him do something and then we didn't like it so we changed it," yes.

And "totally ignoring" is, actually, a valid and regular form of retcon in a shared universe. Like, everyone totally ignored that one insane Catman arc where he was a crazy murderer. He didn't show up again for years and then when he did? Not a crazy murderer. If you've got superheroes and superhero teams regularly running around in a major metropolitan city where there are supposedly magical pirate trains and blue fake Puritans and those significant things that really should make an impact on a superhero's life are never ever mentioned? That's a retcon. Next time somebody wants to use the subways for something interesting, they're not going to know or care that Morrison had pirates there and they're going to do something incompatible with that idea with them, and no editor is going to stop them.

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cissie_king
2009-04-03 10:51 am UTC (link)

> Yep, they do. Three billion in ice trays. What happened to the other three billion?

I'll need to reread that, but I don't think it means what you think it means.

> And yet, we know from Rucka and solicits exactly what's being done with her.

And has he said that Montoya no longer saved the universe? Since I do read Rucka's LJ I have to say he hasn't said that.

> Cuz he's dead? And he's going to still be dead in FC? Oh, right, it was an "alternate dimension Aquaman." Uh-huh.

Personally I'll just wait and see what they do with that. Lack of inmediate referencing doesn't mean ignoring.

> ... Which is exactly "we let him do something and then we didn't like it so we changed it," yes.

Except it wasn't Morrison's idea. DC wanted the Hawks dead, maybe to bring them back later with some hype, not Morrison and then they changed their minds about it.

> And "totally ignoring" is, actually, a valid and regular form of retcon in a shared universe.

Except that all writers have their stuff ignored all the time, and by ignored I mean just "not constantly referenced."

We can say Geoff Johns' stuff is ignored because nobody has seen Stargirl's civilian friends from her own book in ages, and nobody will probably see them again even though they were Courtney's friends and she should hang out with them. Or Kurt Busiek because the new Haunted Tank doesn't mention his Haunted Tank from Power Company, and so on and so on.

Morrison's stuff doesn't get ignored more often than anybody else's stuff. It's just the whole "patterning" thing affecting you as the scans say.

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