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mysteryfan (mysteryfan) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-10 11:48:00

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char: alfred pennyworth, char: batman/dick grayson, creator: tony daniel, genre: preview, title: batman

Preview/Spoilers: Batman #693

More preview pages up at The Source.
(There are fight pages and plot pages and fighty plot pages but I went with this page, s_d.)

Re: the last page up at The Source. I'm excited to find out who the 'wingman' is.

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jaybee3
2009-11-11 04:47 am UTC (link)

To be clear, I don't think Bruce would have a problem with Steph fighting crime as Spoiler (thats mostly Tim's problem) or as Batgirl if Babs wanted it but I really don't think he'd want someone who was not "Family" operating out of the cave beneath his house. And despite the fact that Steph was a Robin I don't think Bruce thinks of her like that (the closest analogy would be Huntress operating out of his cave) and even though its Babs who took over, Bruce and Babs were not like that either in the sense of her being in the cave. Oracle hardly ever (once, twice?) operated out of the Batcave. She always had her own place. It's not like he didn't build a dozens of mini-caves throughout Gotham (including the one he gave Cass that's now vacant and the home-made version Jason made for himself) they could use instead and it's not like Babs can't just launder millions of dollars from some crime lord's bank accounts to buy/build a new lair for herself.

Dick closed the cave (and cleaned it out) for security reasons and out of respect for Bruce and literally one month later (publishing time) Babs and Steph move in? I don't think Bruce will like it when he comes back (and when he does they will definitely have to move out anyway if the Batgirl title is still going by then).

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pepperspray101
2009-11-11 08:46 am UTC (link)

*sighs* I wish I had a scan on hand, but he did welcome her to the batcave. That was where he welcomed Steph back and in front of Alfred to boot. So, no. I don't think it's a stretch to think Steph is allowed to work in the batcave with or without him there.

Granted, I'm not sure which batcave is being used, not denying that Barbara couldn't have come up with a better "batgirl cave" herself, but in this case I'll have to blame editorial for this fuck up. You're not the only one wondering how that lapse in continuity happened. I'm mostly frustrated that DC editorial once more forgot to connect their books and let their writers know what's going on in the other books.

That said, I don't believe the analogy with Huntress works. Oracle may not have been there often or physically, but she still assisted Batman more than enough in the past (much more than Huntress did). So much that he saw the need to wean himself off her help when she and the BOP left Gotham City. Meaning, it's not a stretch to think Babs can have access to the tools his batcave offers, because to not do so would make him all kinds of a selfish ungrateful bastard.

And seriously...if they have Bruce have a bitchfest because Steph and Babs are operating out of his batcave when he comes back, I'm going to have a bitchfest on DC editorial for not doing their goddamn job and keeping the writers updated to what's "kosher" for each character to do or not do. How petty. Babs and Steph are fighting crime, they're not having a slumber party. As long as they aren't endangering Bruce's identity or his other toys which supposedly Dick stored away...and doesn't seem to be the case, I don't see what the problem is. (unless this is going to be a plotpoint in the future...ugh)

I do believe they have just as much as right as Dick Grayson does to use or NOT use the batcave...mostly because Batman NEVER prohibited Steph from the batcave and mostly because Babs helped him tons in the past, probably just as much as Dick Grayson did.

By the time Bruce comes back, Babs and Steph probably will have another place to operate out of, because DC's gotta keep all their books fresh when the big guy returns.

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mysteryfan
2009-11-12 03:55 am UTC (link)

It's 'the' batcave. Bryan Q Miller made that very clear in the last two issues of Batgirl itself.

I don't think that it's going to be Bruce who's upset about the women in the batcave. And that's something that I really dislike about it--the women versus men fake feminism focus that I believe may be upcoming. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that, and that it won't be a women against the men deal. For Dick's own home.

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