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mysteryfan (mysteryfan) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-06 09:52:00

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char: batman/bruce wayne, char: lois lane, char: robin/red robin/tim drake, char: superman/clark kent, creator: chris batista, creator: jack jadson, creator: len wein, creator: mick gray, title: superman/batman

Superman/Batman Annual #3
Composite Superman, Modern Age

Posted this on the old s_d, and Jelly_Ace has posted one page over here. Ran across the issue and was rereading. I really thought it was a very fun read, with fantastic, gorgeous art. I really like Chris Batista's work.

Story by Len Wein, pencils by Chris Batista, inks by Mick Gray and Jack Jadson.

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mysteryfan
2009-11-07 03:00 am UTC (link)

Aargh!

That is so incredibly depressing!

That's how they make Oracle more prominent? Don't give her her own base of operations? That seems to me like a major need that Babs would certainly understand and find important. Why can't it be about the basic need of a character's base of ops instead of about: Oh! The Batcave is awesome! And look, Babs is using it!

How much do you want to bet that the big confrontation between Babs and Dick is Dick discovering she and Steph have moved into the Batcave?

Isn't it supposed to be empty now? And how come the greatest computer expert DC has is using Bruce's computer instead of her own? She could hack into his from an old frozen orange juice can and a piece of string, but using the cave feels like they're trying to add substance that belongs to somebody else instead of going for her own strength.

I also think it's disrespectful to Bruce. I don't think he'd like Babs and Steph making themselves at home and I hate that they're writing her as okay with it. I doubt DC has thought that far ahead, other than the possibility of cool!confrontation, but it's not a very strong choice for Babs.

Will she go ahead and move into Wayne Manor next?

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parsimonia
2009-11-07 03:12 am UTC (link)

And how come the greatest computer expert DC has is using Bruce's computer instead of her own?

Because apparently she's had no money since before they moved to Platinum Flats and then there was the blowing up of her Clocktower Systems business/base of operations. (Which is crap, because really, there is no way that someone with Babs's internet savvy and technical capabilities can't have created some kind of user-generated content site that rakes in millions. I like to joke that she and Catwoman collaborate on a LOLcat site.)

Which is why Oracle: the Cure had her living in a crappy apartment that didn't even have a properly accessible bathroom.

Will she go ahead and move into Wayne Manor next?

See, that's the weirdest part about the whole thing. Dick temporarily relocating out of Wayne Manor makes some sense (I would imagine it's arguably part of grieving, in that every inch of the place is a reminder that Bruce is dead). But as much as Babs would be able to feel at home, chilling in front of the Batcomputer, it is still a little weird. Especially given that we have yet to see her react at all to Bruce's death, which I also find profoundly irritating. It's as if they had no friendship at all.

It also seems a little pointless, given that she will eventually leave when Bruce comes back. (And it also interferes with Dick's plans to empty the place entirely. There seems to be no acknowledgement of her setting up camp there anywhere outside of Batgirl.)

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mysteryfan
2009-11-07 03:51 am UTC (link)

I heard about the losing of all her money. But it would be much cooler if she worked on through that without using the Batcomputer. She needs a computer, I get. I don't see why Babs couldn't rig up something and hack into what she needs.

So far, judging from the BG story, she needs a computer to look at maps and talk to Steph. I think she ought to be able to do that--and it would be way cooler for her to do that--from like a crappy computer and free internet access at a coffee shop.

We sure haven't seen her react at all to Bruce's death and hasn't she even blown off Dick for wanting to talk to her about it?

But as much as Babs would be able to feel at home, chilling in front of the Batcomputer, it is still a little weird.

I think it's *very* weird. Oracle's never chilled in front of Bruce's computer, has she? Nor would she appreciate someone chilling in front of hers. She's a very private person and so is Bruce. She's not welcome to do that any more than he'd be welcome to come into the Clocktower and make it his and his new person's base. He wouldn't. He's too independent.

But she's not being written as independent.

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parsimonia
2009-11-07 05:14 am UTC (link)

We sure haven't seen her react at all to Bruce's death and hasn't she even blown off Dick for wanting to talk to her about it?

In the Oracle mini-series, Dick's message did touch on his being upset about Bruce, but it seemed to be mostly because Babs was being a hermit and not talking to anyone so he was worried about her. (Which, is pretty jerky to Dick, even if she wasn't also grieving. It's understandable to sometimes forget to stay in touch with friends, but when the friend's father fucking dies, you get the hell in touch, especially if you knew him and were friends with him.)

She's a very private person and so is Bruce. She's not welcome to do that any more than he'd be welcome to come into the Clocktower and make it his and his new person's base. He wouldn't. He's too independent.

This is true, although she has sometimes worked in the Batcave when working together with the bats on a case, I believe. I do feel like the batcave, while being Bruce's home office at its roots, has also functioned a little like the family room or something. In that, lots of people have met and worked there.

So there is some argument for it, but I do think Babs likes her creature comforts more than Bruce. She'd want to be working out of her home where she can just roll to the kitchen or go have a power nap or something. Bruce at least had his home upstairs and had Alfred bringing him food and whatnot. With Babs now, she's just sitting in a cave. Not as comfortable.

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sistermagpie
2009-11-07 03:18 pm UTC (link)

It really is silly--they just had a story about the Batcave being cleared out for security reasons. The idea of Babs wheeling herself over there to sit in a cave while talking to Stephanie makes her look foolish. According to the other comics the computers either shouldn't be there or shouldn't work. Plus it implies that they're setting up Babs and Steph working in secret but using Batman's stuff probably just so that Dick can get angry about it and they can be self-righteous in return and we can have conflict.

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parsimonia
2009-11-10 01:49 am UTC (link)

Yep, yep.

I hate that lately the interpersonal drama that's come up is so silly. (Like Jason going batshit in BftC, Cass and Dick butting heads in her mini-series and Outsiders, this

It comes off as rather childish, quite frankly. There's so much complexity to all the interrelationships in the bat-family, so there's really no excuse for pulling this oversimplified melodrama crap. Makes it hard to defend against the accusation that superhero comics are immature.

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	mysteryfan 2009-11-07 03:58 am UTC (link)
	Oh, and I also think that Dick relocating out of the Mansion to the Penthouse is partly just because it's a cool, new move. Fresh start and all and it caught GM's fancy. Hasn't happened since like, 1970. Time to do it again. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	parsimonia 2009-11-07 05:15 am UTC (link)
	LOL, it's true. Now if only we could convince the artists to start drawing Dick in those lovely 70s disco suits, I'd be happier. Today's artists need to take lessons from Jim Aparo. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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