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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-05 17:08:00

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char: green goblin/norman osborn, char: mystique/raven darkholme, creator: leonard kirk, creator: paul cornell, title: dark x-men

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icon_uk
2009-11-05 11:14 pm UTC (link)

Nowhere Man essentially describes Mimic's entire history, he's had no real purpose, no real goal, even his powers depend on other people....

Helter Skelter is forever connected with Charles Manson and was his term for an apocalyptic race war. I'm not familiar with Omega so don't know if it fits.

Eleanor Rigby concerns a woman defined by loneliness who wears a different face to the outside world (She keeps it in a jar by the door). Mystique is isolated from everyone she has ever claimed to love (To be fair, mostly because she's a psychotic bitch) and when it comes to wearing a different face...

Help! A fair reaction to Dark Beast.

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	neuhallidae 2009-11-05 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	Help, I got, even if it had to ignore the meaning of the song to make a funny. Dunno Omega either. And I see your point about Eleanor Rigby. Glass Onion still makes little sense to me, unless the nonsensical explanations of other Beatles songs and the fool on the hill is supposed to be the fact that Norman's batshit insane sometimes. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-11-05 11:36 pm UTC (link)
	Sorry, I hadn't noticed that Norman got one too, but it sort of fits - Glass Onion is a deliberately insane song, the lyrics are meant to be completely lacking in logic or meaning. Sounds like Green Goblin to me. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kamino_neko 2009-11-05 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know about the race war, but the mindless violence involved in almost all stages of Manson's plan certainly fits him. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

kamino_neko
2009-11-05 11:39 pm UTC (link)

Then, also, there's the song itself - ignore the lyrics, and consider the actual vocals and the instrumentation, and it's vaguely cacophonous, the percussion dominated by crashing symbols, the guitars and (mostly harsh) vocals tumbling over each other, and the end featuring feedback, distortion, strange effects, and finally John yelling - all of which, again, fits quite well with Omega's personality - as well as a fade out and return, which could be argued to tie in with the nature of his powers.

When we go back to the lyrics, the connection to his powers can be made again - climbing up, 'coming down fast', then repeating the process again.

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	xdoop 2009-11-05 11:32 pm UTC (link)
	To be fair, mostly because she's a psychotic bitch (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-11-05 11:37 pm UTC (link)
	A little context please, I have no idea what that is from or why it should mean anything to this. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	okkult3000 2009-11-05 11:50 pm UTC (link)
	xdoop believes Mystique is incapable of evil. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-11-06 12:01 am UTC (link)
	No, I don't think she's a psychotic bitch. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-11-06 12:13 am UTC (link)
	She's cold blooded plotted murder numerous times. She murdered Moira McTaggart in cold blood. She threw her own newborn child over a waterfall to save herself. After a few things like that, she loses any humanity she might have ever had to me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-11-06 12:24 am UTC (link)
	That issue with Nightcrawler was almost universally panned, and even Lobdell apologized for it. http://tinyurl.com/yeapl76 (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-11-06 12:31 am UTC (link)
	Well, that's sort of irrelevant, because IIRC it had always been the case that she had abandoned him to save her own skin, the precise nature of the abandonment is less of an issue than the fact that she DID, and that in no way lessens the impact of the many other deaths she has caused. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-11-06 01:00 am UTC (link)
	because IIRC it had always been the case that she had abandoned him to save her own skin No, originally she didn't know he was her son, which is why she was confused as to why she hesitated when she was about to kill him during Arcade's training sequence. As for her killing other people; does killing someone automatically make you irredeemable or something? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-11-06 01:04 am UTC (link)

No, originally she didn't know he was her son, which is why she was confused as to why she hesitated when she was about to kill him during Arcade's training sequence.

In her first appearance in the X-Men, she clearly DOES know who Kurt is, and is the one to tell him to ask Margali about what really happened the night she took him in.

As for her killing other people; does killing someone automatically make you irredeemable or something?

When they are no threat to you and you don't seem to care, yes, it pretty much does.

How many decades of repeated, cold blooded, unrepentant murder would it take to convince YOU that someone had no intention of ever reforming, despite repeated offers?

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xdoop
2009-11-06 01:24 am UTC (link)

In her first appearance in the X-Men, she clearly DOES know who Kurt is, and is the one to tell him to ask Margali about what really happened the night she took him in.

Yeah, and that scene was referenced in the issue where Mystique was unable to harm Kurt in the training sequence. So I dunno.

When they are no threat to you and you don't seem to care, yes, it pretty much does.

It's not like she kills random people for no reason or for fun.

How many decades of repeated, cold blooded, unrepentant murder would it take to convince YOU that someone had no intention of ever reforming, despite repeated offers?

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icon_uk
2009-11-06 01:38 am UTC (link)

It's not like she kills random people for no reason or for fun.

No, she kills them because it's convenient for her to do so, which is almost as bad, and certainly beyond the pale. She shows no guilt or remorse for anything she has done, even if it has included murdering innocents.

And Xena is a poor example to cite, as Xena was, throughout the series, pretty much consistently determined to try and become a better person. Yes she had done dreadful things in her past, but she genuinely regretted them, and she knew that the bloodthirsty monster she had been had been the wrong thing to be.

Mystique has had no such genuine epiphany, shown no remorse whatsoever for her actions, and every change of sides she has made has been to further her own selfish ends, not out of a desire to become a better person.

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	xdoop 2009-11-06 01:39 am UTC (link)
	No, the stuff Mystique has done has either been to save her people or her daughter. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)