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Tweak says, "I see insane people"

cyberghostface (cyberghostface) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-05 13:44:00

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char: hebe/marvel, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: fred van lente, creator: greg pak, creator: rodney buchemi, title: incredible hercules

Yet another jab to the fans of the Spider-Marriage from the "Brain Trust"...
...only this time it's from Hercules' "Assault on New Olympus" story.

This was written by Fred Van Lente, who I hopefully don't have to introduce given his history here.

Honestly. On one hand, the attitude is just, "Get over it!" and the on the other hand they like throwing salt on the wound with these little jabs to the fans.

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	kamino_neko 2009-11-05 10:17 pm UTC (link)
	Which would work, if it wasn't explicitly stated that Wanda gave all the heroes their greatest desires in the HoM world. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	va1tyr 2009-11-05 10:18 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, but if Peter's greatest desire was that Gwen hadn't died when she fell off the bridge, the alternate timeline would play out? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kamino_neko 2009-11-05 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	But it wasn't 'change one thing and let everything else play out as it will' it was 'give them what they wanted' - if he wanted to be with MJ, he'd have been with her, even if Gwen were still alive. It's not like Wanda was restricted by anything other than making a more-or-less coherent universe out of this batch of desires. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	va1tyr 2009-11-05 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	So Steve wanted to be alone, widowed and shunned by most of mainstream society? That seems pretty unlikely to me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

kamino_neko
2009-11-05 10:49 pm UTC (link)

He wanted to live an ordinary life where he wasn't frozen in the ice in the 1940s.

He got that. In the end he outlived his wife, but he still got to spend decades with her instead of having her think he was dead, and thus losing her from his life.

He couldn't not be shunned by mainstream society, because that would create an inconsistency in the universe, because he's not a mutant and non-mutants are treated like mutants are in the original history.

She gave Wolverine his memories of his REAL history. That is completely inconsistent with 'make a change, let things play out' - but fits exactly in 'give them what they want'.

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va1tyr
2009-11-05 10:54 pm UTC (link)

Why wouldn't Steve want his wife to have lived as long as he did? It wasn't ridiculously old age. I haven't read the House of M Cap tie-ins, but I'm told his life was pretty sad at that point. Surely it would make more sense if his greatest desire was to have not been frozen, and then his life played out?

And Wolverine's desire wasn't for a specific incident to be changed, it was for something about himself to be different.

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kamino_neko
2009-11-05 11:12 pm UTC (link)

I haven't read the House of M Cap tie-ins, but I'm told his life was pretty sad at that point.

No more so than any other octogenarian non-mutant.

And Wolverine's desire wasn't for a specific incident to be changed, it was for something about himself to be different.

And the only reason to do it the way she did was because she was giving him EXACTLY what he wanted.

If it was just 'change something and let things play out' he'd have been given his general wish ('I want to know my past') without creating a window to undo the universe.

But that's not what she was doing - she was giving everyone who was there exactly what they wanted. So she let Wolverine remember his REAL history, instead of creating a new history and letting him remember that.

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	va1tyr 2009-11-05 11:16 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sorry, I don't think we're going to agree on this - I don't believe Peter would rather have been married to Gwen, I don't believe Tony would rather not have been an Avenger, and I don't believe Steve wanted to be alone and shunned. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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