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Tweak says, "It's bigger on the inside"

kingsuperman (kingsuperman) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-02 12:12:00

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char: batman/dick grayson, creator: sandu florea, creator: tony daniel, publisher: dc comics, title: batman

Batman #692

So Dark Victory is canon now?

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	thatnickguy 2009-11-02 06:16 pm UTC (link)
	Good writing: Not necissarily bringing back Alberto, but having him look much like his father. Bad writing: Batman throwing down a smoke bomb and having one of the gangsters explain it. This isn't the Silver Age anymore, folks. Not everything needs to be explains with text. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	essaybee 2009-11-02 07:04 pm UTC (link)
	I think he had to explain that Batman dropped the gas balls. Seeing as how they're all dressed as cowboys, he had to be sure the others knew it wasn't just the campfire beans kicking in. (Reply to this) (Parent)

benicio127
2009-11-02 06:18 pm UTC (link)

Yeeeeeah. See, this is what happens when you let Tony Daniel near the writing. Guy's a great artist, no doubt -- he even did an excellent scene between Dick and Selina.

But the rest of the story? Jumbled and very rough. And I was very surprised to see this addition.
As well, when was the last time we actually saw Selina steal jewels? Just seems to be very random.

Daniel should really stick with the art. PLEASE, DC?!

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	icon_uk 2009-11-02 07:04 pm UTC (link)
	Why? Selina IS a jewel thief, the fact she doesn't do it consistently, doesn't mean she is any less a jewel thief, or not be apt to do it again if the mood, or circumstances, made it desirable. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	benicio127 2009-11-02 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	She is, but I'm just being very nit-picky and grumpy regarding Daniel's stuff. :-P (Reply to this) (Parent)

yaseen101
2009-11-02 07:05 pm UTC (link)

As long as the man doesn't flaunce his ego I tend to give him a lot of pass considering he is still relatively new to the field. But why on earth would DC put an inexperienced man who is still new to the writing gig on one of their highest selling books? Is it because he can easily be controlled by editorial? Which wouldn't surprise me since Didio called Coutdown "52 done right!" and in 52 Didio had very little editorial control over. Or is it because the man has good ideas and some exceptional skills? Well his writing and art has clearly improved since BftC but I wouldn't call him exceptional.

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icon_uk
2009-11-02 07:35 pm UTC (link)

But why on earth would DC put an inexperienced man who is still new to the writing gig on one of their highest selling books?

Perhaps because he has a good track record of being on time with his work, had expressed an interest in writing, is intimately familiar with the Batclan. Plus perhaps a deliberate effort to have a NEW writer's take on Batman since it IS a new Batman.

A risky strategy, but I'll see how it goes.

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	yaseen101 2009-11-02 07:50 pm UTC (link)
	What happened to working your way up the ladder? Yes, but the kind of people you mention usually gets mini-series or 2-3 issue arcs not event books like BftC. Anyway, I choose to believe in more ridiculous theories even if it is for the laughs. (Reply to this) (Parent)

triss-neya.livejournal.com
2009-11-02 08:43 pm UTC (link)

A new writer's take on a new Batamn...hmmm. That doesn't really work since it isn't really an entirely new character. Not only is there a lot of backstory but a stint as Batman in the past as well. The writer doesn't get to reinvent how this Batman will act. He has to base it on the character's backstory.
(I'm still very ticked off at him for what he did to Jason)

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	triss-neya.livejournal.com 2009-11-02 08:46 pm UTC (link)
	headdesk I meant Batman ...not Batamn is embarrassed (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arilou_skiff 2009-11-02 08:04 pm UTC (link)
	Because it is their highest selling book? Basically, Batman will sell if written by a pair of chimps. Better put the good writers to work on more obscure titles where people might be tempted to go there for the writer's sake. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yaseen101 2009-11-02 08:53 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, but then the sales will just stay that way but if they get a really good writer, like Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka or Peter Tomasi, then the sales will be even higher. Why do you think the GL book's sales have stayed consistently high since Rebirth? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	benicio127 2009-11-02 10:01 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, it's certainly improved since BftC and is nowhere near as cliche. But, agreed, why would DC put someone inexperienced at writing on one of their biggest books? Sometimes I just think it's b/c DC hates us. Yep. That's it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	darkknightjrk 2009-11-02 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	"Sometimes I just think it's b/c DC hates us. Yep. That's it." And they express their hate by bringing in a newer writer who's a bit mediocre but steadily improving? No, if they really hate us they would have given the writing gig to Chuck Austin and had art by Rob Liefeld. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	runespoor7 2009-11-02 10:53 pm UTC (link)
	So far all the proof we have that Daniel is "steadily improving" is that it's not horrible, whereas BftC 2 and 3 were each worse than the last. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	benicio127 2009-11-02 10:55 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think you can judge "steadily improving" by one issue. (Reply to this) (Parent)

killermoth1
2009-11-02 07:21 pm UTC (link)

I don't like this. I didn't like Dark Victory a heap but it was still enjoyable, but one of my favourite parts of it was that it showed a high ranking gang member (Mario) wanting to get out of that life so much that in the end he simply burnt up the Falcone residence and left.

So naturally, since "inspiring" superhero comics rely entirely on no one being able to reform ever, he's back now. And this is like what? 15 years later?

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jaybee3
2009-11-02 08:07 pm UTC (link)

Dark Victory is what? Year 3? That should be at least 12-13 years ago then according to Morrison's "Bruce has been Batman 15 years" scale. Also if DV (and Long Halloween) is strict canon now then "Bruce" and "Selina" (as opposed to Batman and Catwoman) have been intimate off-and-on for a likewise 12-14 years (as opposed to their revised Post-Crisis meeting - in civilian guise - during the Knightfall/NML era).

As for Daniel, I think he got a lot of brownie points because of Battle for the Cowl from Didio. Remember Geoff Johns got thrust into DC's big-wigs eyes (away from the Star and S.T.R.I.P.E series he created) because he was almost the only writer they could find who was willing to do "Day of Judgement" according to Geoff himself (this is the story in which Hal becomes Spectre). Geoff was basically handed the plotline (just as Daniel was with BfTC) and told to work from there. Years later, Johns had enough power bring Hal back as GL, ret-con Emerald Twilight and make Green Lantern one of DC's highest-selling books with Hal as the lead (something readers were told couldn't be done during the Emerald Twilight period).

DC has a bunch of go-to writers who are willing to do basically dialogue for whatever Editorial piece Didio has already mapped out (think Will Pfeiffer with Amazons Attack, Adam Beechan with the Batgirl fiasco and Countdown, Gray and Palmiotti also with Countdown, Sean McKeever with the slutty Ms. Martian and Wonder Twins mauled Teen Titans era and, again, also with Countdown). And then in return these guys will usually get rewarded with some leeway of their own (for instance, Gray and Palmiotti's PowerGirl book might as well exist in its own universe).

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	xdoop 2009-11-02 08:11 pm UTC (link)
	he was almost the only writer they could find who was willing to do "Day of Judgement" according to Geoff himself Where did he say this? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

jaybee3
2009-11-02 08:19 pm UTC (link)

I believe in one interview (its on the net somewhere) when asked how he got started. He mentioned Star and S.T.R.I.P.E. and then said they asked him to do "Day of Judgement" because no one else was wanted to do it. He could be joking of course, but maybe not - since had very little under his belt under the time and suddenly was given the mini-series in which Hal gets made the new Spectre and starring most of the big players of the DCU.

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	zordboy 2009-11-03 12:34 am UTC (link)
	Given the quality of "Day of Judgement", that isn't too surprising. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thehefner 2009-11-02 08:06 pm UTC (link)
	I was really hoping that LONG HALLOWEEN and DARK VICTORY alike would only be fuzzily in canon, at best. Ah well. Hopefully future writers will continue to ignore those storylines, plus anything else Tony Daniel does this time. I mean, I don't even like Jason, and BATTLE FOR THE COWL ticked me off. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	benicio127 2009-11-02 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	You don't like Jason? Sniff, sniff. We need to talk, Hef. ;-) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thehefner 2009-11-02 10:30 pm UTC (link)
	Hey, I don't hate Jason either! I just dislike Winnick's writing OF Jason! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	benicio127 2009-11-02 10:54 pm UTC (link)
	HAH! Actually it was Winick's writing of him that made me like him. Granted, Winick can be hit or miss, but I thought his Jason was great. I like the idea as well that while he took the Red Hood mask and re-invented it, he was against the idea of playing "dress up" -- another thumbing of the nose to his father figure. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lieut_kettch 2009-11-03 05:44 am UTC (link)
	Does anyone still use Tommy guns anymore? (Reply to this)

	rorge 2009-11-03 05:51 pm UTC (link)
	Dark Victory has always been canon, just like Long Halloween is. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kingsuperman 2009-11-03 07:00 pm UTC (link)
	It doesn't contradict Robin: Year One, or anything like that? (Reply to this) (Parent)