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manofbats (manofbats) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-28 00:32:00

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char: batwoman/kate kane, creator: greg rucka, creator: j.h. williams iii, title: detective comics

Kate's sister. Detective Comics #858

The whole preview is over at the Source blog.

These are from Detective Comics #858 in which Kate's origin is revealed and it involves a twin sister.

Around the time of 52 when the new Batwoman appeared I couldn't care less about her. Now she is one of my favorite characters.

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psychop_rex
2009-10-28 10:02 am UTC (link)

Interesting that the character has a military background - apart from Captain Atom and Warbird, I can't think of many that do. (And let me clarify - by military, I do not mean 'served a stint in the army' like Captain America or the original Union Jack; I mean their BACKGROUND is military, as in they either come from a military family or chose the military as a career - or both.)

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	gargoylekitty 2009-10-28 11:08 am UTC (link)
	As a military brat who comes from a family with a bunch of people who are currently enlisted or have been in the past, I kinda like it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-10-28 11:27 am UTC (link)
	As someone who comes from a family noted for pacifism, I like it, too. It's not the sort of background that's dealt with very often in comics, and expanding boundaries in little ways like that can only be good for the genre. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

gargoylekitty
2009-10-28 12:04 pm UTC (link)

Heh, I only meant it as a 'cool, someone who grew up in an environment at least vaguely similar to myself' way though I should say a military background and a belief in pacifism are hardly mutually exclusive. ;p

Though, generally speaking, it does seem that comics tend to prefer to create a military-like organization to put characters in/take them from rather than going with the actual thing. But I think that it tends to make more sense that way.

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psychop_rex
2009-10-28 07:34 pm UTC (link)

No worries, I got what you were saying. Merely idle persiflage.
That's changed, actually - back in the Golden Age, a number of characters were SPECIFICALLY attached to real government or military groups. You had G-men from the FBI; you had guys in the Navy, Army, Air Force and Marines - and they frequently bragged about their membership in these groups IN THE TITLE OF THEIR COMIC. My guess is that the government liked the free publicity it got from this, and encouraged that sort of thing - it pretty much changed when we got into Vietnam, though, and the sympathies of the general public turned away from the armed forces. (As an interesting example of this, in his original adventures against the Yellow Claw, Jimmy Woo was an agent of the FBI, not SHIELD - most subsequent reprints, however, re-letter the dialogue so that he's now a SHIELD agent, which fits better with Marvel's history, I suppose.)

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	jaybee3 2009-10-28 01:40 pm UTC (link)
	Lois and Lucy Lane were military brats as well - which is also playing a huge role in the New Krypton storyline now. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

psychop_rex
2009-10-28 07:42 pm UTC (link)

True enough, although this was as a result of post-Crisis revisionism - if you wanted to be pedantic (pedantic? ME? Heavens, no!), you could argue that this didn't really count, as the characters had not been initially designed that way - originally, their father was a farmer. The whole 'military brat' thing really only applies to the most recent edition of the characters - which, I'll grant you, is a pretty substantial chunk of continuity at this point, but still.
I wonder if anyone's ever written a story where the Pre and Post-Crisis Loises meet? I imagine they'd get into quite an argument.

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	jlbarnett 2009-10-28 10:18 pm UTC (link)
	well they acknowledge that E-2 Lois was a farm girl in Blackest Night: Superman. Black Lantern Lois calls the New Earth Lois a "city whore" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-10-28 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, interesting, so 'Blackest Night' is resurrecting Pre-Crisis characters as well as Post-Crisis? I thought it was only Post-Crisis - I haven't really been paying much attention to it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 10:50 pm UTC (link)
	Well there are pre-Crisis characters who still exist. Power Girl is one of them. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-10-28 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, of course, but there aren't usually different versions of the same character in continuity. (Well, there's the Kingdom Come Superman in JSA, but otherwise...) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

manofbats
2009-10-28 11:01 pm UTC (link)

Well these are Pre-Crisis characters who were in exile after the first Crisis and then came out in Infinite Crisis.

Superman of Earth-2, Lois Lane of Earth-2, Alexander Luthor Jr., Superboy-Prime, and Psycho Pirate.

They are only Black Lanterns because they survived the first Crisis and their bodies still exist. Other pre-Crisis characters no longer exist so they can't be revived.

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psychop_rex
2009-10-28 11:35 pm UTC (link)

Right, OK. So Earth-2 Superman and Lois were with Lexie Jr., Psycho Pirate was with the Anti-Monitor, and Superboy Prime was with... wait. Hang on - I thought Superboy-Prime was actually supposed to come from OUR world, or a version of it, and was a villain because he was convinced that he was the Silver-Age Superboy, and that all the Post-Crisis heroes were just big meanies who were mucking up his formerly-idyllic world. Orrrrr... something like that. At any rate, I'm fairly certain he's not the actual Silver-Age Superboy.

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