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ebailey140 ([info]ebailey140) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-03-20 15:52:00

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Entry tags:char: hippolyta of themyscira, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: george perez, group: amazons, publisher: dc comics, series: world of wondy, title: wonder woman

A controversial scene from Perez's Wonder Woman
We've talked a lot about the classic Perez run, it's beautiful storytelling, the dense plotting, the complexity, the rich characterization, and the many subjects it covered; including gender issues, war and peace, addiction, Battered Person Syndrome, sexual orientation, and teen suicide. All of these issues were handled with great care and sensitivity.

It's sometimes been said that Wonder Woman is actually more of an alien to our world than Superman. Clark was from another planet, and Diana is from Earth, but Clark was raised in modern America, in it's culture and with it's values. Diana was raised in a 3000 year old Pagan culture isolated from the rest of the world. And, well, 3000 year old Pagan cultures weren't what, in modern terms, is considered "Politically Correct." We've seen this, more recently, in how Diana doesn't have Clark's and Bruce's "no killing" rule.

Which brings us to a flashback sequence from Perez's run, drawn by Tom Grummett, that got them some angry letters. Anyone who was familiar with Sir James Frazer's or Joseph Campbell's studies of ancient cultures, their myths, and their rituals, understood, completely, as would anyone familiar with mid-90s Disney animated films.

What event marked the young Diana's coming of age? It wasn't a Bat Mitzvah.











While this scene did outrage Vegans, they also got supportive letters on the subject. You may be wondering why Artemis was both Goddess of the Hunt and, as we saw in another post on the Perez run, Goddess of Midwives...
http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/70369.html

It's because, to the ancients, Life and Death were part of the same cycle, and everything in Nature was connected. It wasn't something that we, as humans, were separate from, or above, but very much a part of. It was explained very well in, interestingly enough, two mid-90s Disney animated films, The Lion King...

Mufasa: Everything you see exists together in a delicate balance. As king, you need to understand that balance and respect all the creatures, from the crawling ant to the leaping antelope.

Simba: But, Dad, don't we eat the antelope?

Mufasa: Yes, Simba, but let me explain. When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life.

...and Pocahontas.



I found both those kid's movies among the most thoughtful and moving films produced in the '90s. But, as the great Madeleine L'Engle said, "You have to write the book that wants to be written. And if the book will be too difficult for grown-ups, then you write it for children."

To the ancient cultures, the hunt was something sacred. Native Americans believed that, if they didn't honor the buffalo with their Dance to resurrect them, they would leave. Sure enough, when outsiders came along and began slaughtering the buffalo without respecting the cycle and honoring the sacrifice, the buffalo almost disappeared. Here's the myth of the beginning of the Buffalo Dance...

http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/lore02.html

Our modern culture has made these things less... bloody, without animal or, in the case of some cultures, human sacrifice. Now, the Rite of Passage where you are considered an Adult and part of the Tribe is something like Communion. But, what it all means is still the same, even though we've mostly forgotten. It was put nicely on Buffy the Vampire Slayer by Anya, an 1100 year old former vengeance demon, when she explained the American tradition of Thanksgiving...

Anya: I love a ritual sacrifice.

Buffy: It's not really a one of those.

Anya: To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice, with pie.

Scans from Wonder Woman #32. "Colors of the Wind" belongs to Disney.



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[info]gargoylekitty
2009-03-21 06:03 am UTC (link)
This actually reminds me a bit of talk I've seen in pagan circles over the meaning of sacrifice. The general consensus being that 'sacrifice' has nothing to do with what it is but what you put into it. The amount of work you put into obtaining it or making it and how much you're giving up by giving it to the gods, or whoever it's for, is what counts. I think that holds up in the idea for the hunt quite well in that taking down an animal is no easy task and giving it up rather than keeping it for yourself is, well, a sacrifice.

In this instance it can be applied more in that it's a sacrifice for Diana to kill that deer because she didn't want to harm it. But maybe I'm looking to much into this. Though, since you don't mention it, was there any indication that they ate the deer? *is honestly curious* Because unlike Native Americans, the Greeks/Romans were more likely to set it up and burn it than eat it because there it had nothing to do with the 'circle of life' but actually sacrifing. Just wondering how this was written to play out.

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[info]ebailey140
2009-03-21 06:16 am UTC (link)
They were preparing for a specific Feast, so, yeah, the Hunt involves that.

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[info]gargoylekitty
2009-03-21 06:43 am UTC (link)
Did they show it though? Just because there's a feast doesn't mean they'd automatically be eating the animal they're shown refering to as a sacrifice here. Again, just wondering if they're going Greek or Native American with this. Greek could still have a celebratory feast but not have eaten the deer.

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[info]ebailey140
2009-03-21 07:15 am UTC (link)
From the beginning of the run, it was established that the Amazons got their meat from hunting and fishing. Notice we never see any domesticated animals besides horses on that island, no pigs or chickens or sheep being raised. One of their main Goddesses is Artemis, after all. They do it the old fashioned way. :)

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[info]gargoylekitty
2009-03-21 07:22 am UTC (link)
Yes, I know. I'm not saying they don't eat meat. I'm saying that if they're following it in the old fashioned way for them then chances are they wouldn't eat that particular deer. I'm actually kind of wondering now if knowing for sure that the gods exist would make them more likely to offer it to them, or in this case her, or less likely. :\

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[info]ebailey140
2009-03-21 08:02 am UTC (link)

Ah, I think I see the problem, here. It's not Diana making the sacrifice, but Artemis and, especially, the deer. Diana says she's going to thank him for his sacrifice, which is what the Native Americans did with the buffalo.

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[info]gargoylekitty
2009-03-21 08:22 am UTC (link)
Yes, she does that though it says early on 'he is a glorious buck- worthy of Artemis' favor'. That makes it come across as not a case of Artemis giving them the deer, but a case of Artemis hand picking an appropriate sacrifice. The deer isn't for them. Diana's words, especially the way they're added on, come across to me as her personal acknowlement that the deer is also sacrificing.

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-03-21 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I seem to remember a myth in Bulfinchs about how people and gods split sacrifices. Due to some clever mortal trickery, the mortals got the meat part and the gods got the bones and fat. So it could be both.

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