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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-05 18:43:00

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char: hippolyta of themyscira, char: nemesis/tom tresser, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: aaron lopresti, creator: gail simone, publisher: dc comics, title: wonder woman

Wonder Woman #36

This is from Wonder Woman #36, by Simone and Lopresti.

Tom asks Diana how he can trust her, since she said she didn't love him.

They kiss, then Tom says "And I... I don't belong here." He tells Diana to set them down.

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escapay
2009-10-06 12:41 am UTC (link)

Okay, now thats a fair point. If it were just about Tom I agree that the representations you mention would have been ideal. She has had the continuation of the Amazons on her mind lately though, pre return of the Amazons to Themyscira, so at the moment, children are what she is concerned with.

I do, however, agree more with what others have mentioned, saying that this is more likely to be something that would she thought would appeal to Tom to stop him from running off so she can achieve her aims of continuing the Amazon nation. I don't think its a neurotic chick flick at all.

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box_in_the_box
2009-10-06 12:45 am UTC (link)

I do, however, agree more with what others have mentioned, saying that this is more likely to be something that would she thought would appeal to Tom to stop him from running off so she can achieve her aims of continuing the Amazon nation.

That does not increase my respect for her here in the slightest, because it implies that she's willing to settle down with a man whom she believes she can ONLY win over by selling herself as a potential wife and mother to his child. How about ALL THE OTHER PARTS OF HER PERSONHOOD?

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	escapay 2009-10-06 12:51 am UTC (link)
	That would come later. You can't just dump something on a person that is completely opposite to what they are used to and not expect them to freak out. You ease them into the transisition. She obviously sees some potential for him. If she maintains these high standards that you insist she keep, she is unlikely to get anywhere. People don't work like that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	escapay 2009-10-06 12:53 am UTC (link)
	Also, she is shown as a warrior when she is pregnant AND IN ARMOUR. She is still the warrior even when she is with child. (Reply to this) (Parent)

box_in_the_box
2009-10-06 12:56 am UTC (link)

You ease them into the transisition.

There's a word for relationships in which one partner enters into the relationship with the expectation of changing the other partner to more closely suit their own needs over time. That word is not "functional."

Every single relationship I've seen in which a woman hooks up with a man telling her friends, "Yeah, I know he has flaws, but I can CHANGE him" has always, always, ALWAYS ended with one of both of them completely fucking miserable.

Moreover, since Tom already KNOWS that Diana is Wonder Woman, WHY would he need to be EASED INTO accepting who HE ALREADY KNOWS SHE IS???

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escapay
2009-10-06 01:01 am UTC (link)

She isn't trying to change him, his acceptance is probably already there, but when put on the spot people go with their gut reaction and most of the time its "shit get me out of here". Guys do it too.

People change eachother over time, its how marriage works. There are things you dont you change for your husband, there are things he changes for you. Then there are things neither of you change that you both have to put up with. You have a pretty idealistic notion of relationships don't you?

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box_in_the_box
2009-10-06 01:06 am UTC (link)

You have a pretty idealistic notion of relationships don't you?

Agreeing to a Western Christian church wedding, to the point that she fantasizes about it INSTEAD of an Amazon wedding, is more than a minor relationship quibble. Given how heavily her faith in her Gods (and the occasional lack thereof) has played into her character and her storylines, that's like writing a storyline in which an observant Jewish woman fantasizes about a Christian church wedding for the benefit of her husband. It simply codes as WRONG.

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