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Doop ([info]xdoop) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-05 18:43:00

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Entry tags:char: hippolyta of themyscira, char: nemesis/tom tresser, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: aaron lopresti, creator: gail simone, publisher: dc comics, title: wonder woman

Wonder Woman #36

This is from Wonder Woman #36, by Simone and Lopresti.

Tom asks Diana how he can trust her, since she said she didn't love him.








They kiss, then Tom says "And I... I don't belong here." He tells Diana to set them down.

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[info]mullon
2009-10-05 10:56 pm UTC (link)
So, ultimately, Nemesis looks like the less crazy one. That's...diffeent.

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[info]sd_mouser
2009-10-05 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Babies babies babies!

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[info]icon_uk
2009-10-05 11:14 pm UTC (link)
Diana's vision of her future with Tom involve being married in what appears to be a Christian denomination church? Really? I know she's having a crisis of faith, but that comes as something of a surprise.

Plus given the more or less complete and utter dearth of Amazon mating throughout their history, how can they have a tradition.

Maybe I'm old fashioned or out of touch, but mating, in this context, implies to me a sort of relationship intended to produced offspring rather than just sex or pairing up. So I wouldn't say, for example, that a gay couple having sex is ever "mating", it's "having sex", or "making love", but not "mating".

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Wow, a superhero who's a fuck-up and bereft of a support system! - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-10-06 03:45 am UTC
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Mate; NOUN - [info]jupiterrhode, 2009-10-06 12:04 am UTC
Re: Mate; NOUN - [info]icon_uk, 2009-10-06 12:13 am UTC
Re: Mate; NOUN - [info]jupiterrhode, 2009-10-06 12:17 am UTC
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[info]freezer818
2009-10-05 11:26 pm UTC (link)
So... Diana saw past the sleazy facade to Tom's true inner goodness... while utterly ignoring the reason for the sleazy facade?

Post-OYL Diana a naive idiot, isn't she?

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[info]box_in_the_box
2009-10-05 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Diana's fantasy future could have been conveyed much more simply, with none of the details lost, with a single 4chan image macro reading GB2KITCHENBITCH.

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[info]thebigapricot
2009-10-05 11:35 pm UTC (link)
I get the baby and wedding but what's the bare midriff battle gear for? Sexytime cosplay?

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[info]escapay
2009-10-05 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Win for the maternity armour lol, although I would have thought the idea would be to protect the unborn baby not stick it out there as a target heh.

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[info]skywaterblue
2009-10-05 11:58 pm UTC (link)
"And you didn't ask."

Gee. Diana... you really ARE bad at this, but how about I make a suggestion? DTMF, he's not that into you. If you REALLY want kids to carry on the Amazonian traditions, why not adopt or get a sperm donor? You're freaking Wonder Woman!

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[info]jupiterrhode
2009-10-06 12:00 am UTC (link)
That panel of their clasped hands? Where her skin is clearly darker than his? I LOVE that so much I can't tell you. The rest of this I can take or leave, but at least Tom is finished with this book.

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[info]zordboy
2009-10-06 12:04 am UTC (link)
Well obviously women can't want a baby without setting feminism back a hundred years. That misogynistic bitch. Thinking she'd like to be a mother -- how dare she?

I don't see the problem with the wedding, either. Diana's respecting his culture by agreeing to that style of wedding, while adding that they'd have to have an Amazon wedding as well. So what?

(that does beg the question, how do they even remember what an Amazon wedding involves since they've been girls-only for however long)

And as said, that wedding dress *is* gorgeous.

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[info]goobalicious
2009-10-06 12:05 am UTC (link)
Diana's "This isn't going well" face is awesome. Aaron Lopresti has really grown on me.

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[info]retro_nouveau
2009-10-06 12:06 am UTC (link)
I think it's nice that Diana showed him a wedding that he could relate to instead of overwhelming him with more weird Amazon customs, since she's always about meeting halfway.

We're seeing that Diana (1) is worried about her own mortality, (2) is capable of making a mistake once in a while by rushing into a commitment with someone before she's sure of her love, and (3) actually has feelings of physical attraction for other people. This is very reassuring to me as a Wonder fan, because otherwise she's so far removed from humans that I can't relate. Show me someone who lives only for protecting the planet one-zero-zero-point-zero percent of the time and has to wake up alone every morning -- forever.

The whole thing was very sweet, fits with and resolves all the events up until now, and for me was perfect.

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Of course she is - [info]jupiterrhode, 2009-10-07 02:55 pm UTC
Re: Of course she is - [info]xdoop, 2009-10-07 03:08 pm UTC
Re: Of course she is - [info]gailsimone, 2009-10-07 04:40 pm UTC
Re: Of course she is - [info]jupiterrhode, 2009-10-07 04:55 pm UTC
Re: Of course she is - [info]gailsimone, 2009-10-07 05:03 pm UTC
Re: Of course she is - [info]unknownscribler, 2009-10-07 05:07 pm UTC
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[info]jaybee3
2009-10-06 12:38 am UTC (link)
Here's how I see it. We are supposed to see that Diana is not in her own words "doing this very well". She wants Tom to understand what she meant by the whole "I don't love you" thing and the idea she was just using him as breeding stock (as she says the two of them alone could not have repopulated Themyscira alone and if she just wanted someone to breed with she knows a lot of smart, single hunky guys within the super-hero community). I think she's showing him (badly) exactly how much her feelings have grown from mere attraction even if she still doesn't "love" him (something she still never says). Diana's the one who screwed this up and here she's just not making it any better - which I think was Gail's point.

Tom/Diana are finished (for now I guess, Gail has said he's gone from the book, but some other writer will probably bring him back at some point) because of miscommunication even though they care for each other while the Alkyone/Achilles sexless political marriage is going ahead (later in the issue) because each side knows the score. It's a study in contrasts.

Two other things that came out of #36 for me:
1. Gail has said (in other places) that this was how it was going to play out from the get-go. Knowing that in hindsight and knowing that neither Heinberg, Picoult or any filler writer did anything more than make the long time super spy seem more like a "frat boy", I've been impressed in how the Tom/Diana relationship progressed. To be honest, I've never liked Tom more (as a WW character, I've always liked the Suicide Squad version of Nemesis) than in the last half dozen or so issues or believed until then that Tom could indeed be a suitable replacement for pre-Crisis Steve Trevor (which I think Heinberg clearly was aiming for). In fact, I was never MORE in favor of the Tom/Diana coupling than when it was over and I think that's a sign of good writing considering that when Gail took over the book Tom had very little personality to begin with.

2. Lopresti's art probably impressed me more in this issue than any other. In scenes like this precise facial expressions are very important (and more difficult for many artists than action scenes) and I think AL really nailed it. The chagrined Diana in the second to last panel basically says everything you need to know about the entire sequence.

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[info]galateus
2009-10-06 01:28 am UTC (link)
Actually, did Superman have any fantasy sequences like this? Maybe something in "Last Son"? Cuz when he was the last of his species, he could arguably have even stronger issues with wanting to continue a legacy than Diana (even if he wasn't raised in Kryptonian culture).

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-10-06 02:54 am UTC (link)
. . . .

Oh, I broke my forehead. I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding, all over.

This is . . . is Wonder Woman really so hard? Is a Wonder Woman romance really SO FUCKING HARD?

Why can Superman have such a simple romantic life, but Wonder Woman can't?

What the fuck. What. The. Fucking. Fuck.

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[info]jelly_ace
2009-10-06 03:28 am UTC (link)
For some reason, a pregnant warrior seems so badass to me.

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[info]lencannon
2009-10-06 04:13 am UTC (link)
Scans Daily: Where 4/5 Of The Regulars Are Red Lantern Candidates

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[info]shanejayell
2009-10-06 04:38 am UTC (link)
You know, I actually feel kinda sorry for WW.

THo the whole "we need a baby to carry on" thing is now null and void anyway. *lol*

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[info]unknownscribler
2009-10-06 07:24 am UTC (link)
GIP

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[info]midnightvoyager
2009-10-06 08:52 am UTC (link)
Guh

You know... Tom... I never liked you, but...

RUN LIKE THE WIND, MAN!

She brought you into her soul and is showing you the baby she wants to have with you and has already named it even though you have never discussed children RUN AWAY

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(no subject) - [info]gailsimone, 2009-10-07 05:36 am UTC

[info]unknownscribler
2009-10-06 09:06 am UTC (link)
Christ, tom. She's from an all-female warrior cultures that's been banjaxed -- and that the stupid bint did fuck all to try to unbanjax, but we'll ignore that steaming mountain of FAIL for now -- and it never ocurred to you that she'd quite likey want a daughter raised to carry on in her mother's footsteps?

Diana's not the only niave fool here.

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[info]janegray
2009-10-06 02:13 pm UTC (link)
Well, I feel sorry that the ship was sunk (;_;) but I'm glad that neither Diana nor Tom was portrayed as "the bad guy." I hope they can stay as good friends.

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[info]v_various
2009-10-06 09:59 pm UTC (link)
DAMN IT TO HELL
I was so happy about naked Giganta eating people, I was set to pick up this title again. "Let's name her Polly!"


....



*melt down*
Naked Giganta vore scenes will be remember fondly. Baby-rabies WW, not so much. Blech.

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-10-07 01:11 am UTC (link)
you know I think Diana would be pretty lonely these days.

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[info]gailsimone
2009-10-07 03:40 am UTC (link)
Interesting discussion.

One thing you learn very early on is that once you take the pen off the paper, the story really doesn't belong to you any more, and people will come up with their own interpretations of the story no matter what you say or do.

Anyone who sees that, and knows my history, and assumes the message is, "A WOMAN HAS NO VALUE UNLESS SHE'S A HOMEMAKER AND MOTHER" is just on another planet. It's fine, it happens, but holy crap, that is completely out there.

I don't think that, neither does Diana. And let's not forget that it wasn't Diana who said "Babies babies babies," it was Hippolyta and after waiting 3000 years, I think she's entitled.

Most of the stuff in comics that is supposedly carrying a 'female perspective' is such incredible bullshit. It's interesting that THIS fairly common and human emotion, gets repurposed into something it never was. But that's the fun of fiction, its interactivity.

But no, that is not what this means, not even remotely, as many of you have already pointed out.

Haven't read all the thread yet, I bet it's a doozy.

:)

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