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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-05 18:43:00

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char: hippolyta of themyscira, char: nemesis/tom tresser, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: aaron lopresti, creator: gail simone, publisher: dc comics, title: wonder woman

Wonder Woman #36

This is from Wonder Woman #36, by Simone and Lopresti.

Tom asks Diana how he can trust her, since she said she didn't love him.

They kiss, then Tom says "And I... I don't belong here." He tells Diana to set them down.

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	jlbarnett 2009-10-05 11:44 pm UTC (link)
	so if an atheist married a Christian and was perfectly happy doing a Christian ceremony for the other person how would you feel? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-10-05 11:47 pm UTC (link)
	I'd feel the aetheist party was, at least, being hypocritical in saying vows before a God they don't believe in. I'd also be interested in how the Priest/Minster felt about performing one of the most significant religious ceremonies for someone who had no true respect for the faith in question. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-05 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	to the atheist party the important stuff would be taken care of before hand. The vows would be for the other party's sake. How is a god that doesn't exist hurt by someone making a secondary pledge in their name? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-10-06 12:04 am UTC (link)

Because you're looking at the aetheist as operating in isolation when they're not, they're one half of the wedding party, and the vows are being spoken in the name of the deity the other party DOES believe in, which SHOULD be a big deal to them. If my partner is making serious vows sworn by a deity I know they don't believe in, then I'd have a problem with that.

To use an example, despite my respect for those who practice the Hindu faith, I wouldn't dream of reciting a prayer praising Shiva as the Supreme God in a Hindu temple, since I don't believe that to be the case. To do so would be to disrespect both their faith and mine. The same would hold true for not believing in any deity at all.

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	neuhallidae 2009-10-06 12:04 am UTC (link)
	So, basically, the only way a marriage ceremony will ever be approved of by you is if both parties are already of or convert to the same beliefs. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-06 12:07 am UTC (link)
	kind of what I was thinking. But I couldn't find a poilte way to phrase it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

icon_uk
2009-10-06 12:11 am UTC (link)

If it's a religious ceremony rather than a civil one, does that surprise you?

In most Christian ceremonies it's not that big an issue, since they all acknowledge the same concept of God as a common foundation, and there are long standing traditions to handle those situations.

It happened with my sisters, when they married men who were raised in the Church of England. The ceremony was Catholic, but CofE Ministers co-celebrated the Mass (as appropriate) and took part in the vows.

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neuhallidae
2009-10-06 12:14 am UTC (link)

Actually, yes. My closest friends as a child? Catholic mother, Jewish father, Catholic wedding because the father wanted to do things his future wife's way. Southern Baptist mother, hippie New Age father, New Age ceremony on a beach because the wife-to-be thought the idea was pretty. Shockingly enough, the world didn't end, nobody got zapped with lightning for being sacreligious to whatever their religion was, and the two couples in question are still happily married over twenty-five years later. If it's what the couple wants, who the hell are you to tell them they're doing it wrong?

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icon_uk
2009-10-06 12:24 am UTC (link)

Ummm... I'd ask you to refrain from accusatory comments like that last sentence please. For starters I wouldn't tell them they were doing it wrong, and I somewhat resent the implication that I would. (Hell, I'm a gay Roman Catholic, I have enough problems of my own thanks)

You asked me my OPINION, I gave it to you. However I keep my opinions to myself unless asked, so I hope I would have had the courtesy to not say a damn thing to any party involved in those cases, as I do in most others, as long as they were happy and so were their respective churches (or positive lack of same).

My beliefs are my business, their beliefs are theirs, mazel tov/Hakuna Matata to all concerned

And with that I'm dropping out of this because A) I'm not looking for an argument and B) It's 1:20 am here and I want my bed.

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	scottyquick 2009-10-06 12:53 am UTC (link)
	Awww, I was hoping we could keep you going till at least 2:30! (Reply to this) (Parent)

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