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Tweak says, "smile"

mysteryfan (mysteryfan) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-01 17:24:00

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char: batman/dick grayson, char: robin/damian wayne, creator: grant morrison, creator: jonathan glapion, creator: philip tan, genre: previews, title: batman and robin

Big (?) Spoiler: Batman and Robin #5

Preview up at ign: http://comics.ign.com/articles/103/1030612p1.html

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shadowpsykie
2009-10-01 10:41 pm UTC (link)

i don;t mind him being DC's Punisher if they keep him that way. show him as the guy who is tired of the crap innocent people have gone through because of psychos like the Joker, have him ONLY kill bad guys, have him SAVING innocent people, not accepting them as collateral damage. show him having a sensitive side, show him begrudgingly accept that Bruce's idea was a good idea, but ultimately unnatainable.

in otherwords, make him WELL WRITTEN

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sistermagpie
2009-10-01 11:10 pm UTC (link)

For me it seems like the whole thing with Jason is that he's not just somebody who's sick of innocent people hurt by psychopaths, he's motivated by his anger and grief at his own history. That doesn't make him a bad guy, by any means, but I have a hard time believing he's ready to rationally consider Bruce's ideas unattainable etc. It seems like he'd have to seriously work things out with all the Bats before he could have a calm philosophy about criminals. He might think that's what he's motivated by, but I don't really buy it. YMMV.

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shadowpsykie
2009-10-01 11:15 pm UTC (link)

again, i liked his characterization in Countdown, until they Back pedaled him. so if they make Red Hood an actually JOURNEY for Jason as a character as opposed to "I'm just crazy killing people"

i dont want him written off as just some psycho killer.

i have hope because the panels they showed with him and Scarlet show that he does have emotions, that he does, on some level care about people who have been hurt.

let him be motivated by what has happened to him. but let him GROW

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sistermagpie
2009-10-01 11:28 pm UTC (link)

That I can totally be on board with. I would love seeing a story where Jason's return was an actual story for his family. There's times now where he seems like a hanging chad, dangling from the rest of the family, neither alive nor dead. Your brother/son came back to life--the guy you all mourned terribly for years. Stop acting like he's some guy who worked for you for a while but it didn't work out and now you're weird around him.

I feel like that kind of story is a good way to get Jason an actual role/personality that might stick for people besides Winick!

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	benicio127 2009-10-02 04:37 pm UTC (link)
	OH Man. YES to all of this. However, so far? This does look promising. At least he's saying: "I only kill the bad guys" and isn't going around shooting little kids in the chest. (Maybe only Bruce Jones and Tony Daniels got him wrong... hopes) (Reply to this) (Parent)

ladymirth
2009-10-02 01:49 pm UTC (link)

1. Sick of innocent people hurt by psychopaths.
2. Motivated by his anger and grief at his own history.
3. Unable to rationally consider ideas such as "guns are the symptom, not the cause/guns may not provide the ultimate solution", "some people cannot be saved/ you can't just go around treating crime like a termite problem" and "sometimes you have to let other people in/ you cannot force your way into another person's trust".

Conclusion: Jason is exactly what Bruce would have become if his parents had been less moral, if he had been less sheltered from the world's vagaries after that first tragedy by his social status and Alfred, if his substitute father figure had loved him less and let him down, if the one living member of his family had sold him out to the Joker at the peak of his adolescence who then proceeded to torture him to death and if he had had to dig his way out of his own grave to find that he had been almost casually replaced. Jason Todd, in effect, personifies Bruce's "road not taken".

I for one, would be thrilled if he were allowed to stay around as DC's version of Punisher. They need more greys in their monochromatic morality scheme.

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sistermagpie
2009-10-02 04:11 pm UTC (link)

I'd love it if they'd play exactly that kind of disturbing connection stuff too. I mean, with Bruce and Jason. He's not just some guy with a competing idea about criminals, he's a kid that Bruce impulsively took in, lost, mourned, and now...what? It's like they just don't take advantage of that hugely dramatic history. Nowadays it seems like the family member who relates to him most often is Tim, and that's almost because they didn't know each other when he was alive before.

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