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Em knows your (truth) wrote in doors,
@ 2013-10-03 14:32:00

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abigail hobbs, cheshire cat, gwen stacy, hannibal, loki

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It's been a long while since I've been quite this nervous about something.

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	ephemeras 2013-10-03 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	On how to machinate shit and fail? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	truth 2013-10-03 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	No. On the psychology of cults. It's a field I know a lot about. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-03 09:30 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, sure. What? You're as far from a victim as a fucking person can get. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	truth 2013-10-03 09:33 pm UTC (link)
	I spent nearly ten years in a very secure compound, Sam. No, I'm not a victim. I made bad decisions, though. And I'm hoping what I learned can help people who have been in the same position become strong again. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-03 09:35 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, fucking right. You don't have the personality for a cult, and anyone who thinks you do hasn't experienced your fucking head game bullshit. You probably ran the fucking thing or something. Maybe I'll sit in on your lecture, yeah? I'll try not to laugh too hard. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

truth
2013-10-03 09:38 pm UTC (link)

[The reply takes several minutes, but eventually it comes. There are several links to news stories about her escape, about Dr. Anderson and the society that she was a member of for nearly a decade. There's another link to the attempt on her life that was made shortly after she left.]

I didn't think I'd get caught up in something like that. But some people are charming and charismatic, and when they sell you the opportunity to help change the world, it's hard to say no.

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ephemeras
2013-10-03 09:42 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, right. Pull the other one, baby. Everything you do is for a reason. People like you are just fucking like that, whatever you want people to think with your victim bullshit. I know better, yeah? I've seen who you really fucking are. Machinating people like you are all fucking monsters, and no one should trust you. ~~Like Ian~~

Now, go ahead and play up the fucking victim card, since you're so fucking good at it. Go ahead.

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truth
2013-10-03 09:45 pm UTC (link)

You think I'd make all of that up? Do ask Neil about Dr. Anderson. He knew him as well. We were in the same lecture when I first met Dr. Anderson, actually.

I'm not a victim. That's the thing, Sam. I don't let myself be that. Because unfortunately, there's no one in the world you can rely on but yourself to pick you up. So I picked myself up and learned to survive on my own. I'll never be a damsel in distress waiting for a man to help her get by.

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	ephemeras 2013-10-03 10:37 pm UTC (link)
	I think you joined the cult because you wanted to. I think you left the cult because you wanted to. And I think you'll use this shit to get people to pat your narcissistic head for as long as you fucking can. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	truth 2013-10-03 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	Are you so sure about that? Because if that's true, don't you think you would have heard about this by now? I don't wave it around like a banner, Sam. And if you have any doubts, do talk to my brother. He knows some of the details, though he and I have not been in contact with one another until only recently. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-03 10:52 pm UTC (link)
	Chloe, you're a bitch. Plain and fucking simple, and it doesn't matter what the fuck you've brainwashed anyone into thinking, yeah? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	truth 2013-10-03 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I don't hold it against you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-03 11:01 pm UTC (link)
	Not an opinion. Sorry. You can fucking pretend if you want, though. if that shit makes you feel better. Or you can stop being such a machinating cow and be a decent person for a fucking change. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	truth 2013-10-03 11:07 pm UTC (link)
	I wasn't aware that being asked to speak at a university made me a 'machinating cow'. Interesting. And Sam. I don't think there's a thing I could do that would ever make you think I'm a decent person. Your opinion, unfortunately, is skewed. But it's fine. The world would be a far less interesting place if everyone got along. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-03 11:09 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, no, you can't convince me of something that isn't true, not anymore. You already tried that shit plenty of fucking times. Didn't work out for you, though, did it? So, enjoy your lecture, and thanks for saying absolutely nothing for this entire conversation. It was great. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	predacious 2013-10-04 12:41 am UTC (link)
	[As Alexander M] ~~And you must be Sam, Perpetual Victim~~ What my sister says is true in this case. Many cult leaders are charming and charismatic and know how to sell their idea for changing the world. Most people want to belong, even if it's to their own detriment. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-04 12:46 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, sure. Like you're going to admit what she's really like. Whatever. Thanks for you input. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	predacious 2013-10-04 01:04 am UTC (link)
	She's my sister, it's my duty to be as honest with her as possible. If it were a secret, of course I would guard it. If it were well known, then it would be folly for me to pretend it was not so. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-04 01:09 am UTC (link)
	You know, you didn't actually fucking say anything there. Is that a family trait or whatever? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	predacious 2013-10-04 01:22 am UTC (link)
	[...] ~~I see I'll have to dumb this down a bit.~~ Regardless of your assumption that she's not suited to be a member of a cult, she was in one. We didn't speak for quite a long time because of it. Cults take everyone that they believe will help further their cause, even such strong willed people as my sister. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ephemeras 2013-10-04 01:40 am UTC (link)
	Baby, go talk to someone who actually believes your shit. I know Chloe. I know the fucking shit she's done for the past year. Nothing you say is going to convince me that she's anything but a manipulative, cruel, nasty person. So, yeah, thanks for the convo. Have a nice day. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

predacious
2013-10-04 01:54 am UTC (link)

And since you know my sister, surely you must know me, and I must be lying? For what purpose? Especially when there are news articles aplenty to show that whatever manipulation you believe my sister capable of, she too was manipulated? We must all be lying then.

I don't think that's quite true, but obviously you'll believe what you wish and ignore any evidence to the contrary. Sad, that.

Ta.

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	ephemeras 2013-10-04 01:56 am UTC (link)
	Oh, fuck you. She spent the year playing fucking headgames, and none of the shit you're saying here can turn back that fucking clock. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	predacious 2013-10-04 02:05 am UTC (link)
	~~That's my sister.~~ I wasn't attempting to reverse a clock. I don't expect to change your opinion of her, but merely pointing out to you in the is case that you're assuming one thing when all evidence is to the contrary. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	toberuled 2013-10-04 02:02 am UTC (link)
	[A wild Louis appears.] There is no evidence to the contrary. One can be a victim of manipulation and indoctrination and still be a horrible human being. Those two things are not mutually fucking exclusive, and in this case the venn diagram overlaps entirely and is one congruous circle of cruelty and obsession, I assure you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)