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Ikeda Kiriko | 池田 妃凛子 ([info]apathyisboring) wrote in [info]disappear_rpg,
@ 2011-03-20 04:26:00

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Millenium City is a good time to explore/contrast not only established relationships and take strides towards resolving ones with unfinished business, but also a good time for what ifs, relationships that might have been, or ones that you can see unfolding in the late stages of the game.

In the comments, tap people you'd like to thread with, with an idea for foundation if possible.

Also, a proposal: Reconsidering the ranking system so that it isn't so heavily weighted towards high and low ranks indicating like or dislike, respectively. Looking at my own links I'm finding there should be some in-between space for rivalry or other connections, because that can be just as significant.


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[info]2dbeauty
2011-03-20 08:28 am UTC (link)
Halp

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[info]2dbeauty
2011-03-20 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Kiriko: They had an interesting relationship going, but it was also an unhealthy one. After the pre-mindwipe scene and both of them reaching self-rank 10, I think they need some closure. Also their "rivalry" about Reizo is lols.
Kozue: These two got along, but their relationship was shallow. Might be nice to go beyond that and explore their similarities and differences.
Maeko: I don't think she and Toru ever established a social link... want to change that?
Keiichi: Different takes on the hero complex, these two. Could be interesting. Also Toru never really followed up with him after the boss fight.
Kai: Another one of Toru's high-ish links. These two had similarities and liked each other, so it'd be nice to go further with that.
Masami: We may need to backdate a resolution to their last thread and move forward. Toru's willing to listen to Masami's problems.
Tom: He and Toru have had an interesting relationship, but their link has always been near 0 because of the ups and downs. Dealing with things like heroism, trust, and friendship here.
Toshimi: They've only really got Matsuri in common, and now they've only got that in the Millenium!verse. This could be our chance to get them to be friends.
Masafumi: idek
Renju: Sounds like she's got a bone to pick with Toru, even if they did side together before the mindwipe. Very different takes on life, too.
Kouchisei: He keeps trying to "fix" Toru and criticizes him at any chance he gets. Could we resolve this, I wonder?
Seiko: Still got the diametrically opposed beliefs, and a big grudge between them. With both of them predungeon emotionally, we could fix this or make it worse. Want to give it a shot?
Reizo: The punch needs followup. As does their whole weird relationship.
Yoshimi: They're pretty much best friends, but there's stuff to explore here. Like how she knows a lot more about his private life than vice-versa, being awkward nerds, etc.
Isao: They don't have a lot between them, but they are Team Slacker in the Millenium City! Could be fun to have them being antisocial bums together.
Misaki: Toru and Misaki's friendship kind of burned out a while ago, and it sucks that it did. Could they possibly reconnect?

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(no subject) - [info]mellow_lellow, 2011-03-20 09:20 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sakurabamasami, 2011-03-22 04:21 am UTC

[info]some_other_dog
2011-03-20 08:31 am UTC (link)
Reizo's back to day one bullying.

Because he's at school now (meaning he doesn't skip 3-4 days every week) that means he needs to keep himself amused with classmates.

An easy set up would be THEY BECOME REIZO'S LACKEY and as such are afforded the general "I won't hit you or beat you up unless you -really- push me" that .. they'd be afforded if the wipe hadn't of happened.

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[info]some_other_dog
2011-03-20 08:35 am UTC (link)
shortlist candidates for LACKEYS: Toru, Isao, Yoshi, Toshi, Kai.

Everyone else seems like they'd be less likely to just accept being pushed around, but I could be wrong.

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[info]2dbeauty
2011-03-20 08:39 am UTC (link)
I'd like Toru to be a possible lackey... if that's alright with you. And everyone else.

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GENERAL THINGY
[info]some_other_dog
2011-03-20 08:52 am UTC (link)
Kiriko: Fairly obvious
Kozue: Kiriko is the big common link, but they've had interaction outside of it. Kozue's never really even brushed against any of the things he's done to her (like that whole fake date and etc.,)
Maeko: I got nothing, sorry. POST MORE PICKLE.
K1: Not really sure here either. Reizo's kinda come to the conclusion that K1's just a male version of Misaki, just replace pink with stupid bravado.
Kai: lackey thing, something might come from it, idk
Masami: Not sure. There's the FIGHTAN thing they have in common, but Masami has such a mouth on her that Reizo should've probably broken her other arm by now.
Tom: A yakuza and a .. weird bat-man dude. IDK, I'm sure there's something that could be done, but the question is how to get there?
Toru: Lackey. And the punch thing. and maybe video games.
Toshimi: Ribbon o' fate, dungeons, similar outlooks/problems? Also potential lackey.
Masafumi: idk same with maeko
Renju: Well there was that weird subplot thing that got abandoned with Reizo teasing her about how cruel her dungeon came off. I'm not sure how that'd be picked up, especially now that it seems like Renju is anything but.
Kou: obvious weird rivalry is obvious
Seiko: Not sure. Reizo doesn't like big sister types, and I doubt Seiko likes people who will grow up to be what could be effectively called mass murderers.
Yoshi: Lackey deal. He could tease her about being into yaoi, or find out about the drug use and.. idk wtf would come from that.
Isao: Lackey, also they have some fun banter. One of the people who can get away with sassing Reizo without getting a punch in the face.
Misaki: IDK, Misaki probably still thinks there's something good in Reizo, could work with that, even if Reizo's fed up with it.

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Re: GENERAL THINGY - [info]anthesphoria, 2011-03-20 02:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]daioujou, 2011-03-20 08:01 pm UTC
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Re: GENERAL THINGY - [info]2dbeauty, 2011-03-20 09:32 pm UTC
Re: GENERAL THINGY - [info]thrown_to_winds, 2011-03-20 11:28 pm UTC
Re: GENERAL THINGY - [info]ofmanydevices, 2011-03-21 03:45 pm UTC

[info]apathyisboring
2011-03-20 08:37 am UTC (link)
Kozue - Obviously.
Keiichi - There's actually been a lot of interaction, up and down, throughout the game with these two - even a few power struggles, and certainly some unexplored stuff about leadership. I think neither of them are really sure what to think about the other, and they need some kind of a resolution.
Kai - Kiriko has given him a few pushes along the way. He sided against her at the end but I think even she can appreciate how far he came to do that.
Tom - Early game had more interaction between them, so I'm not entirely sure where to pick up or what direction to move on, but it feels like they've talked significantly enough to include.
Toru - Has been the most direct "benefactor" of Kiriko's "help," manifested in many different ways. She still looks down on him a bit, but what he said stung. Unfinished business, for sure.
Toshimi - I'm not sure if they've tread the forging your own destiny thing as much as it can be tread, but hey, I'm willing to find out.
Kou - They've ricocheted between cordiality and rivalry the whole game through. This needs a resolution.
Reizo - Obviously.
Isao - Intense fucking endgame lines spark late-game link for good or ill?

I don't have any specific direction in mind for Maeko, Masami, Renju, Seiko, Yoshimi and Misaki (Kiriko/Renju: There was that talk at Obon and Seiko/Kiriko: They did stand together at the end?) but I am game for it if you have an idea.

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[info]daioujou
2011-03-20 08:04 pm UTC (link)
Agreed.

I think resolution can be found, and any common ground they share seems a good way to shoehorn that in. They both become professionals, but in different fields. There's a certain level of drive, ambition and skill they both possess.

I'm just coming up blank on actual events in-game to drive things forward atm.

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[info]2dbeauty
2011-03-20 09:36 pm UTC (link)
We should definitely pursue this link further.

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[info]thrown_to_winds
2011-03-20 11:29 pm UTC (link)
we can do a thing in a place at a time

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[info]omgboyskissing
2011-03-20 08:59 am UTC (link)
I'm heading out the door right now, so I'll have to wait until later to update with ideas and stuff, but do let me know if you'd like to do anything with Yoshi!

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[info]apathyisboring
2011-03-20 08:59 am UTC (link)
it's 5am where the fuck are you going

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[info]whenitsleeps
2011-03-20 09:38 am UTC (link)
I'm barely coherent, so forgive me if this is too jumbled together or something doesn't make sense. I'll probably need to make edits tomorrow-

Kiriko : They will obviously need to have a conversation at some point. Isao normally isn't the type to hold a grudge, but stuff was a big deal so it could definitely go either way.
Kozue : Isao still owes her money that she'll probably never get back, but he's still happy to play errand boy. It might be a stretch to say any of that bled into Millennium City, but it could be interesting, too.
Maeko : I don't knooooow. Isao will eat apple peels. :|
Keiichi : Dunno for this either, but dropping in on cooking club randomly could happen.
Kai : I think we've in a good place here actually! Millennium City Isao will miss the pjs he never knew he had.
Masami : They sooort of interacted, but not really. Random kendo times (that will be much fail on Isao's part) while in mindwipe-mode might be interesting if the note they left off on carried through at all. Otherwise, post- stuff is cool, too.
Tom : Tom is the only other person in 3-B, so they'd be aware of each other even with mindwipe I think. Would he be part of randomly assorted third year lunch group at kigakiga from time to time?
Toru : I can't think of anything serious. But. Hey Toru I heard you knew Sexy Dance. Blandname Dance Dance Revolution times that's bound to fail?
Toshi : So they get married for tax deductions and then adopt for government money, so-- no, jk. There is always thread potential with po' bros though. We have things already discussed and after everything, selling things at a parking lot thread, y/n?
Renju : Having a thread between the two of them might be interesting considering I think at one point there were some mixed feelings, but they never really had a chance to interact.
Kou : QUICK, KOU. TAKE TIME TO HELP THE LESS FORTUNATE. TEACH ISAO ABOUT ECONOMICS.
Seiko : They should still go to a bakery at some point.
Reizo : LACKEY COULD WORK, SURE. Their banter is fun. Everything pretty much rolls right off of Isao, so Reizo can say his worst.
Yoshi : YOSHI. ISAO. 3AM. HANGING OUT. K?
Misaki : Same for Keiichi's pretty much.
Couch : For rank 10 he is so buying a pillow for the couch. Just saying.

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[info]anthesphoria
2011-03-20 02:33 pm UTC (link)
I think Kozue and Isao could get some mileage out of well-timed flashbacks to the Big Argument right before the mindwipe, since they were two of the really big supporters on one side, and a sense of ~we agreed on something but WHAT THE FUCK WAS IT???~ would be interesting.

And then when they remember they can, idk, high five bro.

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(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-21 10:37 pm UTC

[info]omgboyskissing
2011-03-20 08:04 pm UTC (link)
K, I'M ALL FOR IT

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(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-21 10:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]omgboyskissing, 2011-03-22 12:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-22 04:52 am UTC

[info]daioujou
2011-03-20 08:06 pm UTC (link)
THAT CAN BE DONE IN MILLENNIUM CITY CLASS.

I think some threading once things are back to normal would be nice. I'm getting the sense they're both rather appreciative of peace and quiet.

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(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-21 10:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]daioujou, 2011-03-21 11:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-21 11:35 pm UTC
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[info]thrown_to_winds
2011-03-20 11:30 pm UTC (link)
PO' BROS

IDK if they would get away with coffeeselling in Millenium City though =[

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(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-21 10:43 pm UTC

[info]ofmanydevices
2011-03-21 03:50 pm UTC (link)
Prolly not, though I could see a blanket "Tom has decided something isn't right and has a vague thought that this guy wanted to fight the system" to get him to question Isao.

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(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-21 10:44 pm UTC
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[info]sakurabamasami
2011-03-22 04:22 am UTC (link)
Random kendo times can work!

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(no subject) - [info]whenitsleeps, 2011-03-22 05:01 am UTC

[info]lotus_beyond
2011-03-20 11:45 am UTC (link)
Kozue: Of course.
Maeko: I feel like Renju should be/have been guiding Maeko more, especially with her increased consciousness of her own tendencies. They definitely have common themes to explore.
Keiichi: Generally getting closer? He was the first one to really start getting through to Renju. That's something that may be interestin to contrast in Millennium City.
Kai: Further developing the budding friendship there would be great.
Masami: I am not quite sure what to do with this. There's enough interaction that it should be built on more but not enough for a solid foundation.
Tom: Developing a healthy relationship and overcoming the last remnants of the old awkwardness?
Toru: There are a lot of things Renju doesn't like about Toru.
Toshimi: Similar to Masami.
Kou: Continue building on the familial expectations theme?
Reizo: I would like to pick up that abandoned subplot you mentioned.

Kiriko, Seiko, Yoshimi, Isao, Misaki: I don't really have any ideas, but I am open to suggestions.

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[info]daioujou
2011-03-20 08:07 pm UTC (link)
Sounds good.

I think they've already gotten good ground on that, so what do you think would come later?

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(no subject) - [info]thrown_to_winds, 2011-03-20 11:37 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ofmanydevices, 2011-03-22 04:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lotus_beyond, 2011-03-22 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sakurabamasami, 2011-03-22 04:24 am UTC
1/2
[info]daioujou
2011-03-20 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Kou's back to being aloof, till somebody opens their mouth and ticks him off. He's probably a little more traditional than normal, since he forgot about his friends that took away a tiny fraction of that stuffyness and got him to, you know, socialise. Somewhat.

Toru: The two don't have much in common. I imagine in Millennium City there wouldn't be much increase in S-links positively, especially since Kou forgot about the time spent with the team.
Kozue: I think the mess of their relationship has resolved, though there's probably something lingering that I can't put my finger on. Kou's going to be using some healing sets since his Persona evolved, so there's something to discuss there, I suppose. Symbolism and all. In Millennium City, I don't think he'd be approving. So he'd be back at square one having lacked that team development.
Kiriko: Like stated above, he pretty much acts as a foil. I think there's something to be done to resolve the situation enough that in the future, Kiriko can feel like she can call him when she wants a favour done. Like in Z. Or something.
Maeko: In Millennium City, I think he'd stop by the icecream parlour and not think much of her otherwise. When it's time for angel beatdowns, I think he'd possibly work well in understanding her family problems and being a confidential ear to listen to.
Renju: Family expectations aside, I think there's something to be worked on in that they're both pretty quiet individuals. The problem is that they're quiet - I don't see much happening since they'd not actually seek conflict or other things. In the City, I think they'd possibly have a good relationship as they share certain qualities the other can appreciate.
Seiko: SHE NEEDS TO GIVE HIM HUGS, IN BOTH TIMELINES.
Tom: I think Tom'd be the driver in their relationship - he's more passive, and facepalming at the stupid stuff that 'idiot' gets up to. At the same time, I feel Tom's antics can help him come out of his shell some. I don't imagine he'd be as friendly in the City, however. I imagine Tom'd ask him out formally for a drink one evening when adults, and he'd accept if he wasn't busy. That sort of stuff.
Yoshi: Millennium City = wtf are you drawing. I don't see him spreading her Reizou doujin around either. I think in the actual timeline they haven't interacted enuogh much for him to see past the fact she's a bit of an airhead when we both know she's got more than that. That needs resolving.
Misaki: Misaki in the city is pretty much his anthesis. She might follow orders, but there's just so much that I don't know where to start. I think she'd get the brunt of his brusqueness, since unlike Shirai she doesn't raise the hair on the back of his neck. In RL they don't strike me as having much in common.
Masami: I don't see them associating much in either case. Though in both timelines, I think he could encounter her when he goes to watch Kendo practices and torneys as a spectator. He does appreciate the traditional aspect of the martial art.

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2/2 - [info]daioujou, 2011-03-20 08:32 pm UTC
Re: 2/2 - [info]thrown_to_winds, 2011-03-20 11:36 pm UTC
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Re: 1/2 - [info]ofmanydevices, 2011-03-22 04:25 am UTC
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[info]mellow_lellow
2011-03-20 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Seiko is back to horrifying big sistering and being painfully sugary. Anyone in 2-B will probably have been exposed to her sistering and general enthusiasm.

I imagine she'll have probably come across Kai and Maeko, Kai particularly as his sewing and fabulous would interest her. Maeko would be a prime target for her "YOU NEED CHEERING, I WILL COME TALK HAPPY AT YOU"

So um, Toshimi might get hijacked by her as a study buddy, they had some similar issues with hiding feelings and SMILE TIME so then...

Kiriko is harder, but I think the fact they argued on the same side at DECISION TIME, sort of is important, at least to Seiko.

Kozue They are social girls, I am sure they cross paths whenever, a lot of stuff is kinda significant, but probably their awkward fallout and reconciliation was important.

Toru Uh well, eventually they can remember their mutual dislike, I guess they can meet and just, find each other deeply irritating? idk man.

Isao Bakery, delicious cake.

AS FOR EVERYONE ELSE I HAVE NO IDEA.

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[info]keiito
2011-03-21 02:48 am UTC (link)
Kiriko: Pretty much agree with what Bel said. They're an interesting contrast in viewpoints of the purposes of power and authority and how and why you should wield it.

Kozue: Furtherance of being wonderful...whatever the Hell they are, really. Also probably should find out about Renju, his jaw would hit the floor probably.

Maeko: By the end they were at least not killing each other! This is progress. Maybe talking and such so they're at least cordial and all that fun stuff.

Keiichi: I have a lot in mind, that's all I'll say.

Kai: Another one of Toru's high-ish links. These two had similarities and liked each other, so it'd be nice to go further with that.

Masami: Actual threading! Both members of Team Let's Just Move On (except K1 is part of the While Making Dramatic Speeches subsect). They've gotten along fairly well when we do thread them, though.

Tom: More swordfighting. Also some actual serious discussion. They're both willing to galavant off and risk life and limb, but Tom's the rogue and K1's the prot paladin.

Toshimi: Anything at all.

Masafumi: Any ideas welcome.

Renju: Sounds like she's got a bone to pick with Toru, even if they did side together before the mindwipe. Very different takes on life, too.

Kouchisei: Perhaps apologizing without apologizing. K1 and Kou are very idealogically opposite people who likely in the end will have to agree to disagree and move on with their lives.

Seiko: Never threaded much save in re Tom. Any ideas welcome.

Reizo: D 1.5/Z! Keiichi probably would be less irritated at Reizo in general. Oddly (or perhaps not), a lot of K1's issues with Kiriko were similar to the issues he has with Reizo. Questions of power, how to use it, and when to wield it.

Yoshimi: Resolution of the awful Club Kidnap bit, and determinign exactly how good friends they are when she's not trying to avoid him.

Isao: After the event I missed, probably have a lot more in common than I thought.

Misaki: Ideally, the return of the Cooking Club leader friendship and the Masters of the Nakama Speech.

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(no subject) - [info]ofmanydevices, 2011-03-21 04:01 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]2dbeauty, 2011-03-21 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]keiito, 2011-03-22 02:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]omgboyskissing, 2011-03-22 12:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sakurabamasami, 2011-03-22 04:24 am UTC

[info]ofmanydevices
2011-03-21 03:36 pm UTC (link)
Tom's back to bein his crazy, paranoid, break into your room instead of knocking, I won't be friends with someone because they'll just abandon me self. He won't start any social interaction without an ulterior motive, he doesn't even realize that people do that. However further interaction would be a good way to further spark his flahbacks.

I'll go ahead and tag the above comments that include him, if anyone has any requests that I don't comment on feel free to comment here.

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