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Ruby | Supernatural (mostloyalruby) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2013-05-12 18:01:00

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What is morality, anyway? How do we decide what is right and what is wrong? Isn't everything relative, really?

You say you do the 'right thing', or that you try to, but how do you judge that? Life is a zero sum game, so everything you do, every step ahead you take hurts somebody. There are winners and losers in everything you do, so who is to say that helping one person is RIGHT if it hurts another?

I say we should all just cast aside the idea of right and wrong. They're stupid ideas.

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	mostloyalruby 2013-05-13 12:17 am UTC (link)
	Now there you go getting all personal. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

loves_abeast
2013-05-13 12:20 am UTC (link)

It's slightly difficult not to when you've had your life taken from you and are told repeatedly it's for you own good. Doing that sort of thing, deciding adults lives for them--it's hard to see that as anything but wickedness. But the idea applies to any number of things. There are more shades of grey than most will admit to, but some things are entirely black.

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	mostloyalruby 2013-05-13 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. But I'm not saying that in your case it's right or wrong. I'm saying in a general case that it might not be wrong. That it's not absolute. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	loves_abeast 2013-05-13 12:24 am UTC (link)
	And all I'm saying is that it's hard to see any case where tormenting a person in anyway could be justified. No matter what they've done or who it might save, it's still evil. Killing--I can see excuses for. Torture, imprisonment--I've known good people who've done them, but the act itself is still wrong. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mostloyalruby 2013-05-13 12:28 am UTC (link)
	What if a person had information without which a whole city would be nuked, for instance? Would torturing that person to get the information be worth it? Or is one man's freedom and rights worth more than the freedom and rights of millions of people? [OOC: I can't believe I'm arguing this, lol] (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	loves_abeast 2013-05-13 12:32 am UTC (link)
	Who's to say the man would tell the truth, even under torture? If he doesn't care for the lives of the people who'd be killed, why would he be honest? Torturing him would just be staining your hands, more likely than not. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mostloyalruby 2013-05-13 12:59 am UTC (link)
	Alright, sure, maybe he won't tell. I wouldn't. But isn't it worth the chance that he might, if it could save millions of lives? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	loves_abeast 2013-05-13 01:16 am UTC (link)
	I suppose you have a point there. I'm not sure what I'd do, in that case, to be honest. I'd hope I never have that sort of decision on my shoulders. But--to say the ideas of right and wrong themselves are idiotic is a bit much, don't you think? There are some things that are wrong. People who...live entirely in the darkness. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mostloyalruby 2013-05-13 01:19 am UTC (link)
	Really? I've never met any of those. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	loves_abeast 2013-05-13 01:24 am UTC (link)
	I'd like to say most people others think are entirely evil aren't, that it is only perception like you say. Recent evens have proven me wrong. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mostloyalruby 2013-05-13 01:26 am UTC (link)
	What recent events? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

loves_abeast
2013-05-13 01:39 am UTC (link)

Just...my life. I guess it still feels recent. That person I mentioned I--tried to see the good in her, even after she locked me up. Tried to believe she had done it for my own good, or thought that. But the more I saw of her...I only saw more darkness. More selfishness.

I'm sure there are people who do things like what you say, hurt others for the sake of the many. But she wasn't one. And the more I've seen, it seems more people fall on one side than somewhere in the gray than I'd once thought.

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