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Findekáno (Fingon the Valiant) | The Silmarillion (findekano) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2013-04-29 23:16:00

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!open, maryanne walker (oe)

This place is strange. The people here are strange.

And aye, if you think I'm talking about you, I probably am.

Also, mortals whine a lot.

And they seem to die and get sick a lot, too.

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	findekano 2013-04-30 04:26 am UTC (link)
	Ah, I have not heard this part of the lore of men. Do tell me more! Your lives are eternal, which fascinates me. Even when Arda is no more, your fëar will continue. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

maryanne_walker
2013-04-30 04:37 am UTC (link)

I don't know if it fits for all men or not. I don't know what happens to men of Middle Earth.

Evil vile men are supposed to go to Hell, whereas good men are supposed to go to Heaven. I've never been myself. To either. Laura has been to purgatory, though. And supposedly, this is what all the religious extremists say, that's where we go when we die.

I don't know what to believe though. If I had a choice? I'd go wherever Daryl went. Heaven, Hell...It wouldn't matter. I'd fight back to back with him no matter what.

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	findekano 2013-04-30 06:07 pm UTC (link)
	Ah. I know not how it is for those who are not elves, but no matter how we have conducted ourselves in life, death finds us in the halls of Mandos, where we wait for our bodies to be made anew. It is but a place of waiting, and we must wait longer if we have done evil in our lives. What is religion? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

maryanne_walker
2013-04-30 06:32 pm UTC (link)

Do you know if you see people, or elves rather, while you wait? What happens when you die of grief?

It's the belief in and worship of a higher power, like The God, or gods in general, Loki for example is a god. Not like a king or higher grade being. But someone celestial? I guess. I guess you could worship someone that's more fleshly too, but that usually leads to big heads, and even bigger egos.

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	findekano 2013-04-30 06:34 pm UTC (link)
	I do not know for sure, or from experience. I have not yet been to the Halls of Waiting, although it is my Doom to find myself there soon. Ah, like the Valar? But they are real. I have met them, and spoken and dined with them. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

maryanne_walker
2013-04-30 06:49 pm UTC (link)

I think I remember reading about you, you fought in the war against Sauron? In the Last Alliance? Or am I remembering wrong?

I guess the Norse gods and the Greek gods are like the Valar? But I'm not sure I don't remember reading much about the Valar. It's been years since I picked up one of those books. Norse gods and Greek gods tend to rule over one thing. Like Loki is the god of Mischief. His brother, Thor, is the god of Thunder, and actually looks like Tuor and Big Macintosh, with lots of blonde hair and a big... hammer.

The God is more like the creator of all. Benevolent and all that good stuff with his angels.

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	turukano 2013-04-30 07:37 pm UTC (link)
	If I might interject; The war you speak of happened 6500 years after he died, give or take a century. Eru is the One. The maker of the world, and the Valar would be what you call angels. Eru said Eä and the world came into being. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	maryanne_walker 2013-04-30 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	I had a feeling I was getting my books confused. I need to read them again. What does Eä translate to? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	turukano 2013-04-30 07:52 pm UTC (link)
	Eä is the verb 'to exist.' Eru said it, so Eä is the World that Is distinguished from the The World That is Not. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	maryanne_walker 2013-04-30 08:02 pm UTC (link)
	God was supposed to have said close to the same thing, like Let there be light. Or something like that. Another book that's gone unread for nearly a decade or longer. But it's lower on my 'list to reread'. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	turukano 2013-04-30 08:07 pm UTC (link)
	Do you have a copy? I would like to read it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	maryanne_walker 2013-04-30 08:25 pm UTC (link)
	No, it was with the books about you guys, and they got burned up when an evil ex boyfriend lit my car on fire. But I'm sure there are copies around here somewhere. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fuckitybye 2013-04-30 09:35 am UTC (link)
	That's a matter of faith, it's not necessarily a fact. We don't all believe that we go anywhere at all after we die. On the island? Home, hopefully. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	findekano 2013-04-30 06:08 pm UTC (link)
	But you must go somewhere. And it is not faith, not for my people. We know it to be so. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	fuckitybye 2013-04-30 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	Why must we? Well, lucky you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	findekano 2013-04-30 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	Because well, you must. A fëa cannot be destroyed. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	fuckitybye 2013-04-30 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, yes, of course, what astounding logic. Maybe there's nothing. Maybe we just die, and an afterlife is something that people invent because it makes it easier to deal with the fact that you're just gone. I don't know what that is. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	findekano 2013-04-30 06:33 pm UTC (link)
	I know very little of the fate of Men. I am not a Man, and Eru and the Valar have not revealed to us their secrets. They have strange gifts indeed, but I know not what they are. The fëa is the spiritual half of the whole person. The hröa, or body, is the physical half. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	fuckitybye 2013-04-30 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	What are you? An elf? Well, maybe us mere mortals don't have a spiritual half like that. I don't think even men know much about the fate of men, we just like to think that we do, because the unknown is more frightening than just making up some bright light and pearly gates in the sky and all that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	findekano 2013-04-30 07:44 pm UTC (link)
	I am of the Eldar, yes. We do not call ourselves Elves, that is a name you have give us. We are the Eldar - people of the stars, or the Quendi - those who speak with voices. Ah, so it is fear of the unknown? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	fuckitybye 2013-04-30 07:48 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, right. That's cool, I'll know now. I think so, aye. That's my understanding. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	findekano 2013-04-30 07:50 pm UTC (link)
	Such is strange to me. It is not faith for us, but knowing. I have lived with the Valar, I have spoken and dined with them. They are very real. There is nothing unknown about death, except whether it will happen, and when. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	fuckitybye 2013-04-30 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	Well, we're not so fortunate. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	findekano 2013-04-30 07:56 pm UTC (link)
	I am not sure that immortality is fortunate. The griefs one can see in three thousand years...it is heartbreaking. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	fuckitybye 2013-04-30 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	Well, I suppose there's that, aye. Both have their ups and downs. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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