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starwolf_oakley (starwolf_oakley) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-18 18:09:00

NEW AVENGERS #57 preview. Huh?
Here are two pages from NEW AVENGERS #57 (out September 26).

The team is still down from Jonas Harrow's power dampener. Even the characters who... don't have super powers?

Wait, wait, wait. Why would a power disruptor affect Clint, who doesn't *have* any powers? And what other disruptor is he thinking about?

The Osborn hair even annoys a verging-on-death Spider-Man.

Jessica, are you sure that's really Carol? Or the Carol from the 616 universe? (Dark Reign's flaw is I'm not sure what is happening when. This takes place before DARK REIGN: THE LIST: NEW AVENGERS, but where is this happening in relation to the current MS. MARVEL series?)

Again, I am confused on Luke and his heart. I guessed that Luke has a heart condition and that his powers healed and hid said condition. Someone else on this board (don't remember who, sorry) said that between Cage's steel-hard skin and super-strong muscles, the excess weight puts a strain on his heart once his powers stop working.

Bucky!Cap doesn't have any powers either, aside from his cybernetic arm. But what other power disruptor? Where/when did leaving to for Harrow to find happen?

I may be geeking out over nothing. Jonas Harrow could be just be smart enough to know that depowering the Avengers isn't enough (given how some of them *don't have powers*) and some kind of "vertigo" effect is also needed.

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	stolisomancer 2009-09-18 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	Clint spent a brief period of time as Goliath, using Pym particles to change size. The power disruptor might be messing with residual effects from that. As for Bucky, in order for the cybernetic arm to work like it ought to, he's probably got any number of other augmentations. Otherwise, it'd rip off his shoulder the first time he tried to use it. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sherkahn 2009-09-18 10:51 pm UTC (link)
	Forgot about that fact about Clint. Good point. Hmmm... interesting weakness with Luke Cage. His muscles and skin are superhuman, but not his heart? His body is fighting itself? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Mod Note sandoz_iscariot 2009-09-18 10:52 pm UTC (link)
	Hi, could you please put the summary of last issue's events behind a cut? Thanks. (Reply to this)

	greenmask 2009-09-18 10:53 pm UTC (link)
	It's funny, I never really thought of Jessica as 'being Spider-Woman'. I guess because I've barely seen her out of costume? It was a surprise to me to think of her as someone who wears her costume as another identity in that way. (Reply to this)

freeman333
2009-09-18 10:54 pm UTC (link)

Hawkeye is referring to the power distruptor the New Avengers were planning to use on the Dark Avengers when they invited them into an ambush. But Osborn didn't fall for it and sent the Hood's gang to ambush them back. The disruptor got busted and was picked up by somebody, and now it's been revamped and turned against its creators.

And no, I haven't the slightest idea where it came from, or how the hell it can cancel out powers with diverse origins, or what it's doing to Hawkeye (though the suggestion that it's acting on Pym particles still dormant in his cellular structure is a good one; if I recall, only Mockingbird was immune to it, perhaps because she's the only one who's never had any powers or augmentations). It's been shown multiple times that even mutant powers, which arguably all have the same source (i.e. genetic structure) are hard to take away; Forge's device didn't work right, those power-neutralizing collars are hard to get over someone's neck, and even the Dark Beast's supergizmo in Dark X-Men hadn't been perfected yet. A simple box that transmits waves that neutralize all powers, ever seems a bit too hand-wavy to me; reminds me of the power-neutralizing bulbs in Powers, which work on everybody.

I'd be curious to know what this box did to anyone with magic-based powers. Or did we already see it take down Ares? If so, that's a pretty damn potent box. Look out, Dr. Doom. If it shuts down everything from machinery to sorcery, nobody is safe.

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	(Anonymous) 2009-09-18 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	I believe the science guy that rebuilt it said it was Stark Tech and damn Tony for making it because science guy could never make it in a hundred years. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	stig 2009-09-19 10:45 pm UTC (link)
	I DEMAND an ongoing action-humour continuity-free scrap-punk space-odyssey original-characters-with-awesome-forgotten-D-listers title named "STARK TECH"! HOW DID NO-ONE THINK OF THIS BEFORE (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arilou_skiff 2009-09-18 11:01 pm UTC (link)
	He says "No power, generic disruptor" I assume he means it's just some kind of neural bomb, and not an actual power-disruptor. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	vitruvian23 2009-09-19 02:32 am UTC (link)
	No, it's, "No powers. Generic disruptor." Two sentences, not one. It is a power disruptor, just a generic one that somehow works on all sorts of powers. Also, how would Luke's steelhard skin be putting stress on his heart when it's not steelhard at the moment? Although maybe his powers aren't totally cancelled, given how he's digging his fingers into the pavement. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	shadowpsykie 2009-09-18 11:06 pm UTC (link)
	yeah, Mocking bird was the only one without any powers whatso ever. (she kicked ass last issue) as far as Hawkeye goes, even Bobbi questioned that. could be the pym-particles, but Ronin's abilities have always bordered meta in origin. more than a few characters have questioned weather or not his abilities were powered or not. (Reply to this) (Parent)

bruinsfan
2009-09-21 04:47 am UTC (link)

Back just after Civil War Stark sprang a power nullifier trap on the New Avengers after luring them in with a fake of Captain America's body. It neutralized most of them, but didn't seem to have any effect on Dr. Strange (much to the consternation of everyone on the opposing team, who got their asses handed to them as a consequence). So I think there are still limits to how macguffin-y the technology can be.

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(Anonymous)
2009-09-18 11:00 pm UTC (link)

The New Avengers Left it when they tried to ambush the Dark Avengers in the Hellfire Club Mansion but got attacked by Hood's crew instead and Hood shot it. Chemistro picked it up and brought it to Harrow.

As for why it's affecting even the non-powered...well, it's just rebuilt StarkTech so I'm going for pointless deus ex machina device that somehow inhibits natural skills, metahuman powers, super technology, and magic while somehow having selective targeting. I dunno. Hopefully it'll all be explained next issue and then destroyed and somehow rendered unable to ever be used again because Osborn's got enough annoying toys to screw over the Marvel Universe with.

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foxhack
2009-09-18 11:03 pm UTC (link)

Other than the Pym particle theory described earlier (and a very good one, I might add!), it could be that it not only dampens powers, but also disorients or weakens anyone close to it.

Think about it. Even the power dampeners used on mutants in earlier stories only knocked out their powers, but left them as baseline humans (or close to it). Even if you took out Peter's powers, you'd still have a regular person.

I'm worried as hell about Cage, though...

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	taggerung301 2009-09-19 01:26 am UTC (link)
	if they kill off Cage, New Avengers will lose a good portion of its appeal for me :( (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	akodo_rokku 2009-09-19 01:54 am UTC (link)
	If you really think Brian Michael Bendis is going to kill Luke Cage, I have some swampland I'd like to sell you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Word jazzypom 2009-09-19 09:45 am UTC (link)
	You get the feeling that Bendis likes Luke Cage... very much. So do I. I liked him well enough before New Avengers, but New Avengers cemented that for me. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	taggerung301 2009-09-19 01:51 pm UTC (link)
	swampland, eh? hm . . . sounds appealing . . . but I'm not paying more than $10,000 an acre (Reply to this) (Parent)

	stig 2009-09-18 11:09 pm UTC (link)
	Just keep nudging Carol's butt between yours and your feet, Jess. That'll get her up. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-09-18 11:30 pm UTC (link)
	Wasn't there talk of a romance starting up between a couple of Avengers soon? And the two of them plus Spidey being the only singles on the team? And Jessica's first thoughts when faced with pain and potential death are of Carol? I am just saying. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	autolychus2 2009-09-19 02:00 am UTC (link)
	Well, it'd get me up ... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	punishermax 2009-09-19 03:46 am UTC (link)
	BA DUM TISH (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	autolychus2 2009-09-19 04:21 am UTC (link)
	Thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the veal. :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-09-18 11:13 pm UTC (link)
	Clint calls it a "generic disruptor", so whilst the power-damper is busy damping powers, the disruptor will affect not only the de-powered heroes but the NEVER powered heroes. Damping their powers won't take a bunch as committed as this out of a fight, but no powers and overwhelming PAIN will at least debilitate them. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-09-22 08:49 am UTC (link)
	Of course it's still not explained how Harrow's team is unaffected, he just says they aren't. And I'm not so sure about the pain part. The cops were still functioning fine - well as fine as they can possibly be when the Wrecking Crew is throwing trucks at them. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	starwolf_oakley 2009-09-22 02:13 pm UTC (link)
	If I was the fanciful sort, I'd say it was because the Wrecking Crew's powers are magical in nature, specifically Asguardian magic. But it's more likely that Harrow, being very smart, put some kind of "don't affect my team" failsafe parameters in the device. I'm hoping the issue (or the next issue or the issue after that) will explain this. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

(Anonymous)
2009-09-22 03:40 pm UTC (link)

But in #56 (or whatever the previous issue was), the disruptor also seems to work on Ares.

So so far, it's worked on:
Cage - science (genetics)
Ms. Marvel - science (alien)
Spider-Man - science (genetics)
Spider-Woman - science (genetics)
Bucky - science (technology)
Ronin - unknown, someone's speculated the magic resurrection
Ares - magic (Olympian)
Venom - science (alien)
Bullseye - science (genetics)*
Daken - science (genetics)
Ms. Marvel (Moonstone) - science (alien)
Sentry - science (genetics)
I can't remember if Noh-Varr is still around for this but if 2 kree-based powers (Carol and Karla) are out I don't think he's going to be excepted. Norman doesn't seem incapacitated by the drainer but Harrow picks apart his armor anyways.

*He's got a mutant healing power of sorts now, apparently.

The one I'm taking note to is Ares. I know they're from different types of magic, but if it can take down Ares, I don't see why it wouldn't take the Crew down. Most likely I'm looking too far into the handwavium going on and Harrow's just given the Wrecking Crew an IFF tag or something.

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	daningram 2009-09-19 12:19 am UTC (link)
	Hawkeye in pain might just be because while he has no powers to speak of, his body is constructed out of Wanda's magic. Thus while he is physically human, the make-up of his body is not. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	taggerung301 2009-09-19 01:24 am UTC (link)
	huh, almost forgot about Wanda resurrecting him now here's an interesting question - if Wanda died for some reason (wherever she is right now), would Clint just disappear? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	felinephoenix 2009-09-19 03:20 am UTC (link)
	Actually, the more frightening question (for me) is: if Wanda died, what would happen to Billy and Tommy? Erased from existence AGAIN? (Reply to this) (Parent)

autolychus2
2009-09-19 01:59 am UTC (link)

I'm with you on this one. I have no idea why Clint and Bucky should be down. For that matter -- and I'm an Avengers maven -- I have NO IDEA what power disruptor Clint is talking about, unless it's from the Collector/Guardians of the Galaxy crossover back in the day. If -- and hell my memory is even more suspect now than when we were in Iwakuni -- he's talking about the disruptor that the Collector used in that run, how the hell would these schmoes get their hands on it?

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	vitruvian23 2009-09-19 02:34 am UTC (link)
	No, he's talking about the power disrupter Carol grabbed from Stark Industries and was going to use to ambush the Dark Avengers, as others have mentioned. The Hood's gang came instead, Hood shot it up with bullets, Harrow and Chemistro rebuilt it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	autolychus2 2009-09-19 02:47 am UTC (link)
	Oh, sorry. I thought -- and this was mostly from Boxey's description and my obvious intoxication -- that this tech was something that he'd experienced before and in the distant past. My mistake. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	colonel_green 2009-09-19 02:59 am UTC (link)
	With Bucky it seems like it's supposed to be side-effects of his arm being disabled. With Clint, I don't know, but Mockingbird specifically called attention to his being affected last issue as being weird, so I assume that's a deliberate plot-point. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	autolychus2 2009-09-19 03:12 am UTC (link)
	D'oh. Thanks for the clarification. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-09-19 02:26 am UTC (link)
	That Carol is the only one without a monologue makes me really nervous. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-09-19 03:00 am UTC (link)
	I'm assuming that since she's the most powerful member of the team she's getting hit the most by the effects of the disruptor. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pyrotwilight 2009-09-19 05:58 am UTC (link)
	Given her own series she kinda has to be fine anyway. (And goddamn do her appearances here really not jive with her book. gah) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-09-21 01:49 pm UTC (link)
	Perhaps Cages super-normal power isn't his strength and durability, but rather that his body can support those traits without a heart the size of a harley-davidson engine? (Reply to this)