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	aegof.livejournal.com 2009-07-29 04:01 pm UTC (link)
	...Darkseid wasn't really defeated, was he. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	tacobob 2009-07-29 04:34 pm UTC (link)
	What version of Darkseid was this? Couldn't he have just zapped the ship with his beams? He must have lost his powers or something.. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

alschroeder 2009-07-29 05:02 pm UTC (link)

Kirby's version, which is the original. I just saw this as forebearance on Darkseid's part. Why zap Orion's ship? It still wouldn't give him Apokolips back. Kirby's "Super Power" series set on Earth was a direct sequel to this, where Darkseid and his minions attacked Earth to make it a "second Apokolips". It even started with Darkseid on the run on Apokolips. The ending of New Genesis, and Highfather's Zenlike acceptance of it, was truly the way the series should have ended. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	xammax 2009-07-29 05:05 pm UTC (link)
	No he wasn't. But frankly I was never a big fan of Orion being the one to finally kill Darkseid, Kirby lore or not, this is an instance when the father far outweighs the son, in my eyes anyways. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	seriousfic 2009-07-29 05:43 pm UTC (link)
	Dude, there were like three panels going "...pwned." (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	aegof.livejournal.com 2009-07-29 07:57 pm UTC (link)
	And I have no idea why. Perhaps more context is needed, but this is what I'm getting from the post: Darkseid's going to go home. He's going to rebuild Apocalipse. Then he's going to come after Our Heroes, (who are just going to... sit there and wait for a friendly, space-faring race to show up?) and he's going to destroy them. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	box_in_the_box 2009-07-29 05:19 pm UTC (link)
	... Tigra's not bad-looking. DAMMIT IT'S NOT MY FAULT THAT KIRBY DREW MILFS (Reply to this) (Thread)

	halloweenjack 2009-07-29 05:30 pm UTC (link)
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	seriousfic 2009-07-29 05:32 pm UTC (link)
	Now THAT is a GQ-looking motherfucker. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	box_in_the_box 2009-07-29 05:40 pm UTC (link)
	He looks like he should be trading Hollywood gangster-speak with William Shatner. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cmdr_zoom 2009-07-30 02:22 am UTC (link)
	He's the KING, baby. (Reply to this) (Parent)

box_in_the_box 2009-07-29 05:39 pm UTC (link)

I HAD NO IDEA THAT HIS POWERS WERE SO FAR-REACHING ... Then again, he and Stan Lee co-created Sue Storm, who arguably became one of the FIRST MILFs in superhero comics, which means HOLY SHIT HE DID CREATE MY WORLD Seriously, though, which female character in superhero comics became the first mom who was openly recognized as still being fuckable? Was it Sue, or some other character? I MUST KNOW WHO THE FIRST SUPERHERO MILF WAS, AND I SOMEHOW DOUBT THAT TRINA ROBBINS WILL HAVE THE ANSWER (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	box_in_the_box 2009-07-29 05:45 pm UTC (link)
	There are some mothers I don't want to fuck. Hypothetically speaking, at least. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	seriousfic 2009-07-29 05:46 pm UTC (link)
	Damnit, man, remember she's only a Mother I'd Like to Fuck if there's a mother you don't want to fuck. We're talking about Darkseid's sloppy seconds here! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	interrobamf 2009-07-29 06:25 pm UTC (link)
	Darkseid killing somebody with a gun seems too... mundane. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	seriousfic 2009-07-29 06:50 pm UTC (link)
	You should see the Parademons. They're really off from the modern-day look. (Reply to this) (Parent)

thatnickguy 2009-07-29 11:57 pm UTC (link)

There was a reasoning for this, but I can't remember it, off hand. Mark Evanier talks about it in the fourth volume of the Fourth World Omnibus books. Screw it, let me grab the book and look... ...here we go: "He had trouble getting back into his story. Time had passed, the world had changed, Jack had changed. Issues that had mattered to him in 1971 were no longer front and center, clear and present...In '71, Jack had invested his vast distaste for Richard Nixon when he wrote dialogue for Darkseid. Now, Nixon was a distant memory, Jack's anger towards him had abated and it was tough to rekindle the passions." That might explain part of it. I rememeber reading something else about it, but part of it really was that so much time had passed since he had written the characters that they weren't the same as when he created them ten years ago. That might explain it. Hell, Kirby himself agreed with DC that Hunger Dogs was "abrupt, choppy and confusing". He wasn't happy with the final product, either. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	buttler 2009-07-29 07:36 pm UTC (link)
	Fleeing from the Apokoliptian tyranny, the last New Genesisian city, Supertown, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest — for a shining planet known as Hope. (Reply to this)

thatnickguy 2009-07-30 12:00 am UTC (link)

I love the Fourth World and all its characters, but I found Hunger Dogs very hard to get through. It was a very disappointing way to finish off the big epic, but unfortunately, they were just never big sellers. I think it'd be awesome if, say, Morrison did an ongoing, like an All Star Fourth World. For his artist, how about the guy on Godland? Personally, I keep hoping and hoping that DC will put out one more Kirby Omnibus to go along with the rest: Kamandi. I know there are Archives already, but I want it in the same format as the rest so they can all look great together. (Reply to this)

	volksjager 2009-07-30 12:52 am UTC (link)
	Kamandi was even going to be connected to the fourth world if JK had stayed on the book. (Reply to this)

	dimesfornickels.wordpress.com 2009-07-30 01:37 am UTC (link)
	Here, enjoy a Kirby interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7TnnMFl5s (Reply to this)

psychop_rex 2009-07-30 07:10 am UTC (link)

I kind of like the concept that defeating Darkseid is pointless, since ultimately, he'll defeat himself. It's an interesting way of looking at things - Darkseid may be the ultimate villain, the embodiment of evil, etc., but he's somewhat of a tragic character for all that - because he's SO wrapped up in his dreams of conquest and rule that once he's achieved them - what then? Does he have a purpose beyond being a bad guy? What happens to a man thoroughly devoted to a cause when the cause is achieved - especially when the cause is an avowedly evil and rapacious one that can bring him no true peace or contentment? What will you do then, eh, Darkseid? Who do you conquer when there is nothing left to conquer? "Alexander wept", remember? (Reply to this)

	jlroberson 2009-07-30 07:40 am UTC (link)
	Hold on. I bought THE HUNGER DOGS when it came out and I don't remember this stuff at all. I remember it ending with Darkseid killing Orion. Now I need to dig it out. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ruthk 2009-07-30 05:20 pm UTC (link)
	Before the Hunger Dogs came out DC did BAxter reprints of the original New Gods series and the last issue (6?) had a new story that was meant to be a lead-in to Hunger Dogs. That story ends with Darkseid seemingly killing Orion (but he gets better). (Reply to this) (Parent)