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Tweak says, "A path is something you create"

margo the destroyer (ovaryup) wrote in thedisplaced,
@ 2018-03-06 12:42:00

Entry tags:

!network post, david 8, elsa bloodstone (616), emma swan, emmeline vance, julia wicker, kady orloff-diaz, kylo ren / ben solo, margo hanson, max guevara, penny adiyodi, petunia dursley (au), quentin coldwater, regina mills / evil queen (au)

What the fuck just happened? Why is this a thing that has to happen? Let's put our minds together for figuring out a way to not get any memory dumps. I'd like to hear some ideas. Magical. Scientific. Whatever we've got here.

[There be spoilers for The Magicians, season 3 up to episode 7 in here. And yes, Margo's lost an eye!]

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	behindthemask 2018-03-06 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	~~What~~ It's doable to manipulate memories after you've gotten them with the Force, but trying to block it widespread before it even happened - I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I'm not going straight to absolutely doable either. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ovaryup 2018-03-06 08:34 pm UTC (link)
	Up for a task, Ren? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	behindthemask 2018-03-06 08:40 pm UTC (link)
	What do you need? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ovaryup 2018-03-06 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	Working with Julia on trying to find a way to stop the memory dumps. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	behindthemask 2018-03-06 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	I can talk to her about it. Are we wanting to stop them for everyone? Or is it an opt in thing? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	hurlyburly 2018-03-06 08:53 pm UTC (link)
	The ideas I have so far are opt in. I think something like this should remain a choice. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	behindthemask 2018-03-06 08:57 pm UTC (link)
	I agree, but it wasn't entirely clear from the conversation we were having, which would be why I asked the question. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ovaryup 2018-03-06 08:53 pm UTC (link)
	Opt-in. Consent. Look it up. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	behindthemask 2018-03-06 08:59 pm UTC (link)
	When you say 'stop the memory dumps' it sounds like you want them all to stop for everyone. Opt-in I can work with. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ovaryup 2018-03-06 09:00 pm UTC (link)
	In this case I meant for me specifically. I lost my goddamn eye all over again. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

behindthemask
2018-03-06 09:04 pm UTC (link)

I'm sorry.

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I'll see what I can do. There are definitely ways to massage memories, or remove them, although that's complicated, because ~~things build on each other, and taking out the wrong piece can create a chain reaction of problems~~, never mind, it just is.

What I'm less certain is how they're being delivered in the first place, so would mental shielding be enough to block it? and how to mechanize that for anyone who doesn't want any more.

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hurlyburly
2018-03-06 09:11 pm UTC (link)

There was a magical patch that went on the back of the neck to block out psychic interference. If we could reengineer it a little differently, it could theoretically be designed to block out an external memory dump.

The Hogwarts alumni also have something called a pensive, which might also hold some practical applications for after an unwanted memory has been gained, but I’d have to see if anyone from their world knows anything.

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behindthemask
2018-03-06 09:25 pm UTC (link)

A patch or something the person themselves controlled would be ideal. Most of what I can do, I can do for myself - presuming its effective at all - but doing it for others, or on others, is going to require a lot of mental energy, so maintaining it - difficult.

Removing memories after they're there is I think all around something we're all going to have more experience with. You could possibly bait and switch it, like - it's the basic technique behind the 'Jedi Mind Trick' thing. You trick someone into focusing on something else. It doesn't take away the thing usually (it can, but most of the time you don't need to be that specific because humans are generally pretty easily distracted), but it focuses them onto a different context so it doesn't make the impact it would otherwise.

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	hurlyburly 2018-03-06 09:31 pm UTC (link)
	The problem with the patch is it isn’t meant to be worn long term. It was originally designed as a temporary defense against psychic assault. So, my ideas are just starting points, really. But I’m hoping others might have knowledge to build upon it. ~~I have some experience with memory and mind manipulation.~~ That’s good to know. Thanks. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	behindthemask 2018-03-06 09:34 pm UTC (link)
	Would it have negative effects with long term wear? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	Margo behindthemask 2018-03-07 04:06 am UTC (link)
	Did you get more than El did? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. ovaryup 2018-03-07 04:08 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. Not a whole lot, but enough that matters. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. behindthemask 2018-03-07 04:08 am UTC (link)
	Is he all right? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. ovaryup 2018-03-07 04:11 am UTC (link)
	Considering the last time I saw him, we were being dragged out of a carriage by an angry mob, I honestly don't know. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. behindthemask 2018-03-07 04:16 am UTC (link)
	An angry mob? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. ovaryup 2018-03-07 04:19 am UTC (link)
	The fairy bitch set us up. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. behindthemask 2018-03-07 04:25 am UTC (link)
	Kriff. You guys really need to kill her. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. ovaryup 2018-03-07 04:26 am UTC (link)
	She said something really weird before she disappeared. She said she couldn't protect us anymore. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. behindthemask 2018-03-07 04:28 am UTC (link)
	She's been protecting you? Because that wasn't the impression I've gotten through all these secondhand tales. Honestly, though? That sounds like bantha shit that Snoke would tell me, and wasn't true. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	margo/ren. ovaryup 2018-03-07 04:32 am UTC (link)
	It's the bullshit that everyone who is afraid of real power says to keep that power under their control. It's why Darth Vader never ruled the Galaxy himself; the Emperor was "protecting" him by making him his puppet. Everyone falls into that trap. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)