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More on Lily's behavior in SWM: Lily the Prefect?

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There was one comment I wanted to pull out from the recent Lily threads for separate discussion.

I’m glad Hwyla pointed out that Lily almost had to have been a prefect in SWM. I’d been wanting someone to bring that up.

Warning: Lily-bashing ahead. At least I can't come up with any way to have Lily look good in SWM if she's really a prefect as well as Snape's supposed best friend.



Is it credible that Lily, a scant year later chosen to be Head Girl, was NOT a prefect in SWM?

Can anyone make a case (without violently contorting) that she was not?

Yet if she was: what does that say about her behavior in SWM? It was her perfectly duty as much as Lupin’s to discipline James and Sirius—both to stop their misbehavior, to punish them, and to prevent (one hopes, although in this case probably futilely) recidivism. Why isn’t Lily in there docking house points from Gryffindor and issuing detentions?

I mean, imagine if Hermione had found Cormac McLaggen and a couple of his friends ganging up on Ron. Or Percy witnessing several Gryffindors setting on Penelope. Would either of them credibly react as Lily does?

We know what we think of Prefect Lupin’s cowardice in not stopping his friends. But at least we understand his motives.

Lily’s motives…. Is she guilty of more favoritism than Snape at his worst, unwilling to punish her own house? (At least the Slytherins, as Whitehand points out, actually make considerable effort to make sure Snape doesn’t directly see their worst misbehavior. James checked to make sure Lily was watching before he started in on Snape!)

Is she a coward like Lupin, whose girlfriends have made her aware they will ostracize her if she punishes the wrong people (two popular, rich, good-looking Gryff boys, one a Quidditch star) or takes too many house points?

Is this James’s way of getting Lily to commit publicly to engaging him one-on-one rather than prefect-to-misbehaving student?

Or is she simply too weak to enforce her authority?

I can’t come up with any way to have Lily be a prefect and not look worse than Lupin.

And I can’t come up with any plausible reason why the future Head Girl wouldn’t have been Prefect.

(Oh fine, I can so. Mary Sue Macdonald, who was Lily's superior in all conceivable and inconceivable ways, was Gryffindor prefect fifth year and a shoo-in for Head Girl in Seventh. But Mulciber, who adored her, killed her sixth year in a fit of jealous rage--you'll be happy to know DD prevented his being expelled. Alternatively, the MoM pulled her from school to serve as head of the DMLE to lead the fight against You-Know-Who. She asked (with her dying breath or from her new position of power) that her mantle be passed to her lowly friend Lily, as a symbol of hope for Muggleborns that despite their inferior blood and abilities,they too might be granted a position of power if they pleased their superiors. The End.)

Bad fanfic aside, discuss?
  • (Anonymous)
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought prefects weren't actually able to deduct or reward House points, and that that was a right reserved for Head Boy or Girl. I seem to remember a part in Order of the Phoenix when Harry and Co. are threatened with points from Gryffindor by Malfoy and Co., and they say "Prefects can't take points," and Malfoy says that that is a right newly conferred upon the Inquisitorial Squad. As in, something normal prefects can't do.

    Of course, I remember an instance where Percy takes points from Gryffindor but I'm pretty sure it's in PoA, where he's Head Boy, and I don't remember prefects being able to give detentions, either.


    -butterbeergirl on LJ
    • Percy took points off Ron in COS for hanging out at Myrtle's bathroom looking for clues. So Prefects can at least take points from members of their own House. In OOTP the question was about Prefects taking points of other Prefects, or perhaps members of other Houses.
    • (Anonymous)
      No, that was in CoS, right after Percy catches the Trio leaving Myrtle's bathroom.

      In CoS, a prefect can take points, but in OotP, only members of the IS can, so that the IS can abuse their authority.

      On the other hand, on the train ride to Hogwarts in OotP, Ron talks about how, now that he's a prefect, he'll be able to make Goyle do lines.

      So, it isn't clear whether or not Lily could have taken points, since the books aren't consistent about that. However, OotP itself establishes that prefects can give detentions, so Lily *could* have done that.

      Lynn
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