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How much would you have been willing to forgive Severus Snape?

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We all remember the great Snape debates before DH came out. About where his loyalties were as of the end of HBP, when they changed if ever, how many times they changed. I think we agree that DH settled this question (even if we don't know the exact time-point we know which events triggered the turning points in his path). Another question was how far he went as Death Eater. After DH the consensus in this forum seems to be that canon suggests either at that he did not go as far as killing, or that if he did he fully repented for such killings and healed his soul to the extent that is possible. It is clear from canon that whatever he was as a Death Eater, the man we see during Harry's Hogwarts years is a man with a strong conscience, with a clear view of right and wrong (despite having to act on the edge due to his role as a spy), who does not make light of having to commit harmful acts for a long-term beneficial goal.

But even without ever killing anyone directly, with his own hand/wand, there is much he could have done. The most obvious is the brewing of poisons and other harmful potions that were then administered to innocent victims by others. Then there is the invention of new harmful, potentially lethal spells, and teaching such spells to other DEs, thus resulting in injuries and deaths among their victims. I think the worst I have seen in fanfics is Mengele!Snape - Snape in his DE days using captives (mostly Muggles) to test properties of newly invented potions. Some scenarios get extremely gruesome, with a team of DEs at Snape's command cutting through a still living victim so that Snape could observe damage to internal organs as it took place.

So my question is, would knowing something like that change anything in your attitude to Severus Snape? Is his complete repentance enough for you as a reader to disregard anything, however cruel, he may have done in his dark period, or would the thought that this was a man who may have been capable of such horrors disturb you enough to feel you cannot forgive him completely? Do you think a man who had commited such actions is capable of abandoning them for good or would he always be at risk of backsliding?
  • I suppose it depends on how much you believe people can change. While I definitely believe people can see the error of their ways, even deeply bad error, and determine to change their actions and even their whole belief systems, I don't think people change their actual personalities.

    I think that a Snape who would personally commit horrific atrocities is not the same Snape who would not stand by and watch death if he could save the person -- even, in the case of trying to save Lupin, a person he disliked, at possible risk of his own life. I could explain in more depth, but I'll leave it at this: a Snape who personally commits serious atrocities is not the same personality as the Snape in canon.
    • Unfortunately we have the examples of the Stanford prison experiment and the Milgram experiment to show us how much behavior is contextual. People who live as normal, law-abiding citizens can do horrific things when the context puts them in the frame of mind that such behavior is expected of them. People can torture prisoners because they are in position of power and the prisoners are worthless scum who deserve to be mistreated and then come home and engage in charity work or whatever is expected in their cultural milieu. Truthfully, I hope never to learn how far I can be bent.
      • (Anonymous)
        But Snape was in a position to commit atrocities as a spy. Wizards are generally in a position of power over any muggle that crosses their path, and many of them seem to have a very patronizing attitude towards muggles. That goes double for masked terrorist groups who don´t give a shit about the law.
        So Snape could have done anything he wanted, likely no one on the side of Dumbledore would have found out and if they did, he could say it was to keep his cover.

        If Snape thinks someone is scum, he insults them, makes some empty threats and then tries to save their hides.

        If it had turned out in DH that Snape became a Death Eater so he could torture people and kill lots of muggles, if he had "accidentally" screwed up on the Mandrake Potion in CoS, if he had called the dementors to kiss Sirius and perhaps crucio´d him and Lupin a bit before, if he didn´t tell Goyle (or was it Crabbe?) to loosen his grip a little on Neville and if had went right along with the Carrows in Book 7, then I´d think he´s evil and capable of anything.
        As it is, these instances contradict Evil!Mengele!Snape. You have to leave them out of the previous books to make Evil!Snape possible. And since those scenes are what formed my opinion of Snape in the first place I simply can´t picture him torturing someone for laughs.

        And I just realized that I´m completely Off Topic.

        Ok, trying to save my post
        What I mean is, Snape´s "dark period" ( does that sound to anyone else like describing menstruation) is not canon, him being actually a fairly decent person IS in the books, and the two are to me completely incompatible. I can´t forgive something if I don´t know if it happened and even if I did, wouldn´t buy it.

        szara
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