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Was James an abusive husband?

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First, I all want to recommend 'Liberacorpus' by terri_testing. You can find it here: http://terri-testing.livejournal.com/7569.html#cutid1

The following under the cut can't really be called an essay, it's nature to rambling, but I'd love to see what you all think.



We've seen not many glimpses of James, but what we have seen is pretty scary. My warning bells are ringing with this guy. And if James really was a manipulator and a possible abuser, then the whole Lily/Severus relationship changes. Before I thought Lily a shallow bint, who acted like a real b*tch to Sev during the SWM incident, but what could've have gone before? Before reading my ramblings, you really ought to read terri's fic, though. Be warned, James turns out to be nastier than many people give him credit for.

It's the only thing that makes *sense*, really. I've been rereading Gavin DeBecker's 'The Gift of Fear' again in response to this fic and it always amazes me how people will fall for creepy guys because culture has somehow convinced us that guys who will not take 'no' for an answer, will threaten violence, who are 'charming', who brag about their ability to flaunt authority are somehow 'cool' and desirable as mates instead of pushing all our 'warning' buttons.

It makes *sense* that James would be abusive. It's in the text! It is CANON that he and Sirius would sneak away under the Cloak to Hogmead to drink Rosmerta's. Fifteen, sixteen year old boys who sneak out of school to go drinking? Warning sign! It's CANON that the Marauders roam around the countryside, endangering people, every month. For *years*. Warning sign!

Look at James' friends, they tell yo so much about him. People will say, "oh, but the Marauders were such wonderful friends!" Really? There is Remus. You know, the guy they cared so much for that they learned how to be animagi, just so they could comfort him in his pain. Because they were so nice and good that they just didn't care about his lycanthropy. Weren't they nice? So nice, that when they leave school they dump the werewolf because.. they are afraid that The Werewolf was a DE?! Because you can't really trust werewolves after all? Canon would have us believe that this was a legible reason for James and Sirius to distrust their friend, but I say that if you distrust a friend for being a werewolf, then that whole song and dance about the Marauders turning animagi to help their werewolf friend is bogus. They became animagi because it was illegal and they wanted to and they joined Remus every month because it was against the rules and thus exciting.

Then look at Peter. We all thought that Peter must've been such a wonderful actor; acting as if he was a timid nice boy all the while plotting to defect to Voldemort, but when we look at CANON, we see that even as a boy Peter was very, very creepy. A syncophath of the worst order. 'Almost wetting himself', as Sirius sneeringly remarks, in his fervent bootlicking. Would any nice guy *want* to be friends with such a slimy, creepy guy? No, he wouldn't, but a nasty guy would want to have 'Wormy' (the name just hits it on the head, doesn't it) around to do some dirty jobs you don't want other people to know about. You'd want him if your ideas of a 'good time' and yours coincided. Think about it; Remus and Sirius weren't surprised that Peter betrayed James for an 'even bigger bully', they were just surprised that had the guts and the brains to do so. Peter is portrayed in CANON as a cringing, wheedling, slimy, smarmy creep, and this is *not* the 'face behind the mask' but the way he *has always been*. And he was one of the Marauders and James and Sirius trusted him above Remus to be Secret Keeper.

James 'friendship' with Remus wasn't very deep if he dumped him so easily.
James' only real strong relationship was with Sirius (Red Hen did an excellent essay on this) with Sirius firmly being the follower and James being the Alpha dog. Sirius was the follower, the doer, the guy who acted and reacted impulsively. It was James who always got the ideas. It was James who got the idea from the start to bully Snape throughout school and who did so, JKR tells us, because of his jealousy about Snape's friendship with Lily. When we first see him in Snape's memory of the Hogwarts train, it was *James* who badmouthed Slytherin and Sirius kept quiet (Sirius whole family was Slytherin, after all, and who would want to diss his family, certainly at that age?) but when Sirius was Sorted he was so in Gryffindor, and when we see him again he hates everything Slytherin, he hates his family and even moves out and *moves in with James* when he is sixteen. Gosh, *somebody* must've done a good headjob on that boy. *Somebody* must've recognized Sirius biddable and controllable qualities...

Sirius was the ideal fallguy too. Think of how Sirius felt so guilty about suggesting Peter for a Secret Keeper that he was raving 'I did it, it was my fault' when the Aurors picked him up. Now think back to SWM and the Prince's Tale. CANON tells us that the SWM incident took place shortly *after* the Shrieking Shack Incident. We also see that Lily berates Snape when he tries to warn her against the Marauders and especially James. She says, "I know about your theories that Remus is a werewolf". (I'm quoting from memory here)
What? Snape *knew* that Lupin was a werewolf (or at least suspected it) and still he went into the Shrieking Shack during full moon? Why would he do something so stupid? What could Sirius possibly have said to lure him into such danger? How about "Evans was so curious about where Lupin goes every month, we've decided to show her, har har har." I can't imagine Snape willingly going into a suspected werewolf den just to 'get the Marauders into trouble' but I *can* imagine Snape doing so to rescue his friend from the jaws of one.

And suddenly it all falls into place. We've been staring ourselves blind on Snape in the Slytherin Common Room getting his ears filled with anti-muggleborn propaganda, but we've totally neglected Lily in the Gryffindor Common Room. James must've spent years poisoning Lily's thoughts about her Slytherin friend, twisting Snape's actions and words to discredit Snape and make himself look good. *That's* why SWM is his Worst Memory. It was *the* moment that Lily finally, totally 'went over' to the Other Side, and look what happened to her.
*That's* why Snape felt so guilty for her death; for years he had been warning his friend about no-good James Potter. *He* was not such an idiot to be fooled by that smooth talking bullying pureblood bastard. James played 'devide and conquer', playing Severus and Lily against eachother, bullying Sev and manipulating things so that it looked as if it was *Severus* fault (classic manipulator behaviour: shifting the blame of the abuse onto the victim). Hey, he got the *teachers* gobbling up his pretty stories about 'Snape giving as good as he got' after all. Lily turned out to be a harder nut to crack; it took him five years. Five years of bullying Snape, five years of manipulation, shifting blame, smooth talking, charm and badmouthing Slytherins in general and Snape in particular. It took a while - Lily *knew* Severus after all - but in the end he succeeded.
First he would wait until a new full moon. Then, just before the Marauders would go to the Shrieking Shack he would say something about Snape suspecting Lupins lycanthropy. He would then smoothly suggest to Sirius something like "Oh Snape would never dare to follow us, you know how all Slyths are cowards at heart. Wouldn't it be fun if he did, though? He'd shit seven colours! But he'd never... well, maybe if he thought that pretty redhead Evans were with us. Even slimy Snivellus might want to rescue a damsel in distress, ha ha ha!"
Sirius would be off in an instant (probably thinking it his own idea) to find Snape (Marauders map) and say something like, "looking for your girlfriend Snivelly? She's with us tonight. Arrhooooo!!"
Snape would leg it to the Shrieking Shack, just as Lupin transformed, and of course James would be waiting there to be 'just in time to save Snape'.
James would spin his usual tale and just as usual be believed by DD (isn't it weird, you might ask, that Dumbles didn't even know the Marauders were animagi who let Lupin out of the shack to roam around the countryside for *years*? This tells you something about Dumbles, but it also tells you something about James' ability to lie and charm his way out of murder *just as a certain other Head Boy we could mention*!)
After this 'incident' James stages the very, *very* public Worst Memory incindent, carefully checking (canon!) that Lily is in the vicinity and at the end of that day Lily has permanently broken with her best friend and is shown as believing James' every lie. Oh, the also spewed her anger at *James*, but James is nothing but tenacious (another warning sign!)
For two years he keeps on bullying people (and especially Snape), he just hides it better. He keeps telling Lily that he 'cleaned up his act' and that she and her actions that day 'made him a better man' (again, shifting the responsibility of his own actions, "if you don't become my girlfriend/wife I might regress into my old behaviour and then it would be your fault" - warning sign!)

The rest is history.

So poor Snape, who at first congratulated himself for not being so stupid to fall for James' tricks, finds out that he has, instead, been playing to James' tune. James called every shot during the SWM incident. Snape had been so furious with Lily, listening *again* to that bastard instead of hexing his balls off and freeing him. Hadn't he warned her again and again that Potter was no good. Why did she listen to him? And how had Potter learned the Levicorpus? He had told only Lily of his new spell (Lily had, of course, shown the spell to James to prove that 'look, Sev *isn't* a Dark wizard. He makes these spells himself, you know, he doesn't learn them from the other Slytherins. He's very clever.. Look at this one..") So he lashed out in utter fury at her, calling her the one name he knows would hurt the most because he *wants* to hurt her that one time, for so betraying him (and he is immediatly sorry for doing so) and it played into James' hand.
Think of the guilt he must've felt. "If only I had.. she might not have married that bastard, she wouldn't be in this situation.." etc. etc.
I loved the bit about the photos. Now we know why Snape cried and tore that foto in Sirius' room. We also know why that letter sounded way to naive for a young, intelligent woman. We also know why Lily, for such a 'brave Gryffindor', ended up huddling pathetically, pleading for her child's life without so much as trying to accio her wand; abused women will cower, not fight.

In the end, it just comes down to two options. If James was really a nice guy, then Lily must've been a nasty golddigging bitch who dumped her poor halfblood friend so she can marry the rich jock/biggest bully on the playground. Then Snape must've been mentally disturbed for continuing to carry a torch for such a horrid girl.
Or James is really a nasty piece of work. A possible abusive husband, who only associates with people he can use and whose closest relationship is with best buddy, rebel-without-a-cause, Sirius. At least a manipulator who poisoned Lily with lies for years, who filled her head with stories about 'those Slytherins' until she believed them and discounted the stories of her friend Severus.

I suddenly find myself liking Lily again and can truly feel the tragedy of her and Sev's history.


  • Scenario two - Sev and Lil meet when they are nine and although they are definitely from different sides of the track, their common trait (magic) unites them. When they go to Hogwarts, they are Sorted into different and traditionally opposite Houses. Although the official word is that all Houses are equal, it soon becomes becomes clear to Sev that some Houses are more equal than others. He gets bullied and pushed around a lot by a gang of four Gryffindors. Luckily he still has Lily as his friend! But Lily lives in the Gryffindor common room and James Potter is charming and funny and knows how to joke about his appalling behaviour just as efficient as a certain pair of twins would, twenty years later, and besides, even the teachers like James. Her head of House shakes her head sometimes over his youthful highjinks, but is still amused. Really, Sev shouldn't be so sensitive. It's not as if James Potter is the only one who pranks other students! Look at Mulciber! Sev just should lighten up. If he wasn't so sensitive they wouldn't tease him so much. If only he cleaned up better, they wouldn't pick on his appearance so much. And what does he think he is doing, badmouthing poor Remus! Remus is a sickly and kind boy! Not a monster!
    Lils is really getting upset with her friend. James is trying so hard. James is always telling about how his family fought Dark Lords and how *he* would fight Voldemort when he grew up and about how evil Voldemort (a Slytherin) was for hating muggleborn like her. James was perhaps a bit rambuctious, but boys were stupid like that and really, Sev gave back as much as he got. Didn't James tell everybody in the common room last week about how Sev was following him around to get them in trouble ("And what exactly *were* you doing, Potter?" "Oh, really Evans," James waggled his eyebrows cheekily, "don't ask questions which would make you an accomplish." "James Potter! You should really stop sneaking out to drink butterbeer!") and how Sev had gotten himself in a spot of trouble himself and how James had rescued him? The Headmaster himself had claimed that James had saved Sev's life and had given James loads of points (they would win the cup at this year for sure) and was Sev even grateful? She hardly recognised her friend anymore, so bitter he had become.
    Then Sev called her a dirty name and she was furious. Furious at James for yet again picking at Sev. Furious at Sev, who had been her friend but clearly wasn't. Furious at herself for being such a fool to believe that Slytherins could be good people...

    Anyway, teenagers are teenagers, it's true, but not all teenagers are shallow bints. I wasn't. 'Coolness' never bothered me...

    I don't give two hoots about Lily. I do care about Snape. I simply like a Snape who mourned for twenty years for Scenario Two Lily far better than I would like a Snape who mourned for a Scenario One Lily. Simple as that.
    • I definitely did want to be cool, but high school was where my standards for what constituted that began to change. By the time I graduated I had converted completely from "standard" (for Americans) to "I love intelligent scrawny geeks who wear black all the time" (and I mean that sincerely: I was a theatre tech nerd).
      • Well, I was a late bloomer, so maybe that explains it. I wasn't remotely interested in the opposite sex (or any sex) until I was nearly twenty, and by that time I had had a full time job for two years and had left school behind me for three...
        Serious.
        Things had started to go wrong at home since I was thirteen. My parents were both in and out of hospital for *years* and I was so busy with managing the household and being an emotional crutch to my poor parents I simply ignored everything else (like boys) although I also firmly believe that I would be a late bloomer even if my parents hadn't gotten sick.
        My first time falling in love.. oh god.. I was twentytwo, twentythree.. and I fell *hard*.. Ouch.. Wrong guy too..

        Anyway, if I think back at those days (nearly thirty years ago), I don't think the 'coolness' thing was so... US High School, if you know what I mean. I'm Dutch, and I'm always slightly amazed when I see some American tv show or movie which shows some US High School highjinks. We simply do not have any school sport teams like you do, and we certainly don't have cheerleaders. Although every class will have a few girls that are more interested in their looks, the whole 'the prettiest girls are also the most popular' thing is unknown to us. Not that we don't care about how we look, but things like 'popularity' isn't really such an issue. We usually have a few friends, some will have many, others will just have the one special friend, and whole classes will sometimes have their own activities as well. And of course people will have friends outside of school, from the neighbourhood, or from clubs (sport or hobby) The whole splitting up into 'nerds', 'geeks', 'jocks', 'cheerleader', 'grunge', what have you, is rather alien to me, but endlessly fascinating (I remember seeing 'The Breakfast Club' way back in the eighties and being totally amazed by the social barriers between those kids)

        One thing I do envy American school kids though, is all the cool subjects you can get. Theatre tech would've been *so* me! Alas, my country is too small to even employ a handful of professional theater people, so no theatre tech for us. Or Illustration and Animation classes (just ordinary Arts and Crafts with some tie-dying and a bit of basketweaving and lots and lots of crayons and gouache)

        Sorry, I'm babbling now.. It's getting very late. Off to bed!

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