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Was James an abusive husband?

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First, I all want to recommend 'Liberacorpus' by terri_testing. You can find it here: http://terri-testing.livejournal.com/7569.html#cutid1

The following under the cut can't really be called an essay, it's nature to rambling, but I'd love to see what you all think.



We've seen not many glimpses of James, but what we have seen is pretty scary. My warning bells are ringing with this guy. And if James really was a manipulator and a possible abuser, then the whole Lily/Severus relationship changes. Before I thought Lily a shallow bint, who acted like a real b*tch to Sev during the SWM incident, but what could've have gone before? Before reading my ramblings, you really ought to read terri's fic, though. Be warned, James turns out to be nastier than many people give him credit for.

It's the only thing that makes *sense*, really. I've been rereading Gavin DeBecker's 'The Gift of Fear' again in response to this fic and it always amazes me how people will fall for creepy guys because culture has somehow convinced us that guys who will not take 'no' for an answer, will threaten violence, who are 'charming', who brag about their ability to flaunt authority are somehow 'cool' and desirable as mates instead of pushing all our 'warning' buttons.

It makes *sense* that James would be abusive. It's in the text! It is CANON that he and Sirius would sneak away under the Cloak to Hogmead to drink Rosmerta's. Fifteen, sixteen year old boys who sneak out of school to go drinking? Warning sign! It's CANON that the Marauders roam around the countryside, endangering people, every month. For *years*. Warning sign!

Look at James' friends, they tell yo so much about him. People will say, "oh, but the Marauders were such wonderful friends!" Really? There is Remus. You know, the guy they cared so much for that they learned how to be animagi, just so they could comfort him in his pain. Because they were so nice and good that they just didn't care about his lycanthropy. Weren't they nice? So nice, that when they leave school they dump the werewolf because.. they are afraid that The Werewolf was a DE?! Because you can't really trust werewolves after all? Canon would have us believe that this was a legible reason for James and Sirius to distrust their friend, but I say that if you distrust a friend for being a werewolf, then that whole song and dance about the Marauders turning animagi to help their werewolf friend is bogus. They became animagi because it was illegal and they wanted to and they joined Remus every month because it was against the rules and thus exciting.

Then look at Peter. We all thought that Peter must've been such a wonderful actor; acting as if he was a timid nice boy all the while plotting to defect to Voldemort, but when we look at CANON, we see that even as a boy Peter was very, very creepy. A syncophath of the worst order. 'Almost wetting himself', as Sirius sneeringly remarks, in his fervent bootlicking. Would any nice guy *want* to be friends with such a slimy, creepy guy? No, he wouldn't, but a nasty guy would want to have 'Wormy' (the name just hits it on the head, doesn't it) around to do some dirty jobs you don't want other people to know about. You'd want him if your ideas of a 'good time' and yours coincided. Think about it; Remus and Sirius weren't surprised that Peter betrayed James for an 'even bigger bully', they were just surprised that had the guts and the brains to do so. Peter is portrayed in CANON as a cringing, wheedling, slimy, smarmy creep, and this is *not* the 'face behind the mask' but the way he *has always been*. And he was one of the Marauders and James and Sirius trusted him above Remus to be Secret Keeper.

James 'friendship' with Remus wasn't very deep if he dumped him so easily.
James' only real strong relationship was with Sirius (Red Hen did an excellent essay on this) with Sirius firmly being the follower and James being the Alpha dog. Sirius was the follower, the doer, the guy who acted and reacted impulsively. It was James who always got the ideas. It was James who got the idea from the start to bully Snape throughout school and who did so, JKR tells us, because of his jealousy about Snape's friendship with Lily. When we first see him in Snape's memory of the Hogwarts train, it was *James* who badmouthed Slytherin and Sirius kept quiet (Sirius whole family was Slytherin, after all, and who would want to diss his family, certainly at that age?) but when Sirius was Sorted he was so in Gryffindor, and when we see him again he hates everything Slytherin, he hates his family and even moves out and *moves in with James* when he is sixteen. Gosh, *somebody* must've done a good headjob on that boy. *Somebody* must've recognized Sirius biddable and controllable qualities...

Sirius was the ideal fallguy too. Think of how Sirius felt so guilty about suggesting Peter for a Secret Keeper that he was raving 'I did it, it was my fault' when the Aurors picked him up. Now think back to SWM and the Prince's Tale. CANON tells us that the SWM incident took place shortly *after* the Shrieking Shack Incident. We also see that Lily berates Snape when he tries to warn her against the Marauders and especially James. She says, "I know about your theories that Remus is a werewolf". (I'm quoting from memory here)
What? Snape *knew* that Lupin was a werewolf (or at least suspected it) and still he went into the Shrieking Shack during full moon? Why would he do something so stupid? What could Sirius possibly have said to lure him into such danger? How about "Evans was so curious about where Lupin goes every month, we've decided to show her, har har har." I can't imagine Snape willingly going into a suspected werewolf den just to 'get the Marauders into trouble' but I *can* imagine Snape doing so to rescue his friend from the jaws of one.

And suddenly it all falls into place. We've been staring ourselves blind on Snape in the Slytherin Common Room getting his ears filled with anti-muggleborn propaganda, but we've totally neglected Lily in the Gryffindor Common Room. James must've spent years poisoning Lily's thoughts about her Slytherin friend, twisting Snape's actions and words to discredit Snape and make himself look good. *That's* why SWM is his Worst Memory. It was *the* moment that Lily finally, totally 'went over' to the Other Side, and look what happened to her.
*That's* why Snape felt so guilty for her death; for years he had been warning his friend about no-good James Potter. *He* was not such an idiot to be fooled by that smooth talking bullying pureblood bastard. James played 'devide and conquer', playing Severus and Lily against eachother, bullying Sev and manipulating things so that it looked as if it was *Severus* fault (classic manipulator behaviour: shifting the blame of the abuse onto the victim). Hey, he got the *teachers* gobbling up his pretty stories about 'Snape giving as good as he got' after all. Lily turned out to be a harder nut to crack; it took him five years. Five years of bullying Snape, five years of manipulation, shifting blame, smooth talking, charm and badmouthing Slytherins in general and Snape in particular. It took a while - Lily *knew* Severus after all - but in the end he succeeded.
First he would wait until a new full moon. Then, just before the Marauders would go to the Shrieking Shack he would say something about Snape suspecting Lupins lycanthropy. He would then smoothly suggest to Sirius something like "Oh Snape would never dare to follow us, you know how all Slyths are cowards at heart. Wouldn't it be fun if he did, though? He'd shit seven colours! But he'd never... well, maybe if he thought that pretty redhead Evans were with us. Even slimy Snivellus might want to rescue a damsel in distress, ha ha ha!"
Sirius would be off in an instant (probably thinking it his own idea) to find Snape (Marauders map) and say something like, "looking for your girlfriend Snivelly? She's with us tonight. Arrhooooo!!"
Snape would leg it to the Shrieking Shack, just as Lupin transformed, and of course James would be waiting there to be 'just in time to save Snape'.
James would spin his usual tale and just as usual be believed by DD (isn't it weird, you might ask, that Dumbles didn't even know the Marauders were animagi who let Lupin out of the shack to roam around the countryside for *years*? This tells you something about Dumbles, but it also tells you something about James' ability to lie and charm his way out of murder *just as a certain other Head Boy we could mention*!)
After this 'incident' James stages the very, *very* public Worst Memory incindent, carefully checking (canon!) that Lily is in the vicinity and at the end of that day Lily has permanently broken with her best friend and is shown as believing James' every lie. Oh, the also spewed her anger at *James*, but James is nothing but tenacious (another warning sign!)
For two years he keeps on bullying people (and especially Snape), he just hides it better. He keeps telling Lily that he 'cleaned up his act' and that she and her actions that day 'made him a better man' (again, shifting the responsibility of his own actions, "if you don't become my girlfriend/wife I might regress into my old behaviour and then it would be your fault" - warning sign!)

The rest is history.

So poor Snape, who at first congratulated himself for not being so stupid to fall for James' tricks, finds out that he has, instead, been playing to James' tune. James called every shot during the SWM incident. Snape had been so furious with Lily, listening *again* to that bastard instead of hexing his balls off and freeing him. Hadn't he warned her again and again that Potter was no good. Why did she listen to him? And how had Potter learned the Levicorpus? He had told only Lily of his new spell (Lily had, of course, shown the spell to James to prove that 'look, Sev *isn't* a Dark wizard. He makes these spells himself, you know, he doesn't learn them from the other Slytherins. He's very clever.. Look at this one..") So he lashed out in utter fury at her, calling her the one name he knows would hurt the most because he *wants* to hurt her that one time, for so betraying him (and he is immediatly sorry for doing so) and it played into James' hand.
Think of the guilt he must've felt. "If only I had.. she might not have married that bastard, she wouldn't be in this situation.." etc. etc.
I loved the bit about the photos. Now we know why Snape cried and tore that foto in Sirius' room. We also know why that letter sounded way to naive for a young, intelligent woman. We also know why Lily, for such a 'brave Gryffindor', ended up huddling pathetically, pleading for her child's life without so much as trying to accio her wand; abused women will cower, not fight.

In the end, it just comes down to two options. If James was really a nice guy, then Lily must've been a nasty golddigging bitch who dumped her poor halfblood friend so she can marry the rich jock/biggest bully on the playground. Then Snape must've been mentally disturbed for continuing to carry a torch for such a horrid girl.
Or James is really a nasty piece of work. A possible abusive husband, who only associates with people he can use and whose closest relationship is with best buddy, rebel-without-a-cause, Sirius. At least a manipulator who poisoned Lily with lies for years, who filled her head with stories about 'those Slytherins' until she believed them and discounted the stories of her friend Severus.

I suddenly find myself liking Lily again and can truly feel the tragedy of her and Sev's history.

  • Blunt and eloquent. Your essay nicely summarizes so many reasons why I've had such an instinctive dislike for the James Potter character.

    Early in canon we learned that he had been a privileged jock - which was a huge strike against him in my book. In real life, how many of us in high school learned that unless you were in the 'in' crowd, jock was just another word for stuck-up jerk.

    Further in canon, we learned of the Marauders - and isn't that such an appropriate name for a gang? Because James Potter didn't have a pack of friends - he had a gang, and he was their undisputed leader. And what do gang members like to do? They make themselves feel empowered by terrorizing and controlling other people. The Marauders weren't some group of high-spirited teenage boys prone towards harmless hexes and mischievous pranks like so many characters in canon seemed to blithely regard them - they were a gang of bullies, Hogwarts was their turf, and woe to anyone unlucky enough to draw their 'interest'. Like one unfortunate Severus Snape. Maybe Snape did indeed know more dark art spells than any other student his age, but he needed every one of them for protection against his repeated encounters with the Marauders. Four against one? My, my, how 'brave' of James Potter, taking on an opponent he always has outnumbered.

    How could the teacher's have turned a blind eye to such bullying? How could Dumbledore have let the Marauders get away with murder almost literally (Shrieking Shack incident), then punish them with barely even a symbolic slap on the wrist (yet punish Snape the most by trivializing the entire event and even forbidding him, the victim, from discussing it with anyone else)? Is it such a surprise then that Snape wound up joining the Death Eaters? Seems rather obvious to me that he was, on at least a subconscious level, seeking the protection of the most powerful gang in the area.

    James Potter was a bully and a manipulator. The frightening part is that he got away with his abuse because he was also rich, handsome, charming, and athletic. It's regretable that Lily eventually fell for the packaging and didn't stop to give a critical look at what was truly inside the man.

    • After posting my rantings I had to run, and I've been away for a few days, so now I return and, wow! How am I ever going to respond to all these posts?!

      Thanks to everybody who commented on my incoherent babbling above. I hope I made people think outside of the box. People in fandom tend to stick to 'first impressions'. For instance the 'Snape knew more spells in first year than seventh year'. Who says this? Sirius. Do we believe Sirius? Are we *shown* that what Sirius claims is true? No. Even more damning; who should he have learned them from? His muggle father? His cowering, ineffective mother? Lily?! So why believe the babblings of a character like Sirius, whose veracity is questionable, to say the least.
      And this is but *one* of the things characters or even the narrator *say* that is totally in contradiction to what people *do* or what is *shown*.

      So, keeping in mind that what is *said* in the Potter series should be neglected in favour of what is *shown*, we can look anew at the Lily-Severus friendship.

      What are we shown about Lily? We are shown that she is Severus' friend before coming to Hogwarts. We are shown that when she and Sev encounter rich, snobby, spoilt git James, Lily reacts angry towards him and chooses Sev's side. We see that five years later, she seems to have changed her tune. We see how Sev tells her that he wants to show her that James and his cronies *aren't* all cool and wonderful, but she cuts him off, telling him that *his* friends (housemates?) aren't wonderful either. We are shown that five or six years after that, when Sev and Lily's ways have long past, Sev still wants to save her, still cares about her and he will do anything, betray anyone, to save her life.

      So, we can ask ourselves the following question: what changed between first years and fifth year? Why is Lily choosing James' side, even when she will readily claim that James is a git.

      The easy answer would be 'Lily is a shallow bitch, a golddigger who ditched her poor, halfblood friend to marry a spoilt, bullying jock and good riddance to her', and that was *my* first reaction too.
      But if this is the case, the consequence must be that Severus is a sad, puerile puppy who is stuck in his mind in the false belief that his childhood friend cared for him, even though she clearly never did. And that doesn't sit well with me, because in the whole sad, bloody awful series, Snape is the one character who acted as an adult; he looked at his own actions, saw the consequences of them and changed. This is adult behaviour that Harry or Dumbledore never reach.

      So we look the evidence again. How else has Lily changed? Well, we see that before and during Hogwarts she was a girl who was never afraid to open her mouth to say what was on her mind. She was 'spunky'. Yet when the Big Bad enters her house, she doesn't even raise her wand? She sits there, cowering? She *begs*?

      Enter the 'James has an manipulative, abusive personality' theory.
      If James is indeed a manipulative, nasty git, who charmingly fed Lily bullshit about Slytherins in general and Severus in particular for *years*, who actively, by bullying Severus in such ways that Sev looks pathetic, drives a wedge between her and Sev, then this will explain how:
      * Lily has turned from a feisty young girl into a cowiring, ineffective moomy.
      * Severus still feels responsible for her even though she clearly made her choice by marrying James.
      * Severus feels guilty for her death for twenty years. It can't have been that stupid McGuffin prophecy. Any Voldie sympathiser could've gone to the Ministry and checked out that prophecy. Besides, James and Lily were on Voldie's hitlist anyway. Severus pleading for her live was Lily's only chance, not her doom. So why the guilt? Because if only he had played things better, James would've been demasked and Lily would've realised what a cunning piece of shit he was and she would never have married James and wouldn't be on Voldie's hitlist etc etc.

      The 'James Was A Manipulative, Possibly Abusive Bastard' theory gives us a likable but tragic Lily, a lovable but tragic Severus and a Very Nasty Wanker (instead of a plain Stupid Wanker) James.

      What's not to love?
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