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cyberghostface (cyberghostface) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-21 11:56:00

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char: mary jane watson, char: may parker, char: spider-man/peter parker, publisher: marvel comics, title: amazing spider-man, title: spectacular spider-man

Spidey Revisions
EDIT: The images should be working now.

Over at Spider-Man Crawl Space, they're doing "Spidey Revisions"--fixing the continuity of past comics to make them linear with the current status quo. That is, that Peter and MJ were never married and just lived together instead (but besides that nothing changed!).

First I'll present the original page, and then the redone version.

From Spectacular Spider-Man #194:

Dan Slott himself (who frequents the forums occasionally) said this in response:

"As for that scene from SPEC– joking aside– the new dialogue would probably be something with a similar romantic sentiment (in a comics code approved way) that wouldn’t involve marriage– for example, Peter asking MJ if she would 'spend the night' with him for the first time– and she’d say something back about how she’s already 'spent the night' with him before– and he tell her something as equally mushy, like how for him every time she 'spends the night' it’s like the first time.
It’s fun to joke about this stuff– and pretty easy to take shots too. But if you just look at it for a second and use a little imagination, you can find a suitable parallel that keeps the spirit and tenor of the scene."

From Amazing Spider-Man #406 (keep in mind MJ never got pregnant in the continuity):

And finally, from Web of Spider-Man #50:

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	neuhallidae 2009-09-21 04:38 pm UTC (link)
	Er, I'm not seeing images. (Reply to this)

	parsimonia 2009-09-21 04:40 pm UTC (link)
	Also not seeing images, but more importantly--in your icon THERE'S A CAT-ASTRONAUT! (Castronaut?) (Reply to this)

	sherkahn 2009-09-21 04:47 pm UTC (link)
	Red X of death. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	cyberghostface 2009-09-21 04:49 pm UTC (link)
	I know, two people have told me that already. I have class in ten minutes, when I come back I'll upload them to a file hosting site. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	greenmask 2009-09-21 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	and he tell her something as equally mushy, like how for him every time she 'spends the night' it’s like the first time. vom (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sandoz_iscariot 2009-09-21 06:29 pm UTC (link)
	So much Eyeroll. Cute scenes, though. Love that Spec one. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	greenmask 2009-09-21 06:31 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, they are (the undoctored versions, that is)! They weren't showing up first time around. Awwwwwh, they were such a nice couple. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	philippos42 2009-09-22 11:02 am UTC (link)
	Wow, Slott is a bit--um--odd, isn't he? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hyperactivator 2009-09-21 06:36 pm UTC (link)
	It's the second one that really upsets me. (Reply to this)

seriousfic
2009-09-21 06:51 pm UTC (link)

for example, Peter asking MJ if she would 'spend the night' with him for the first time– and she’d say something back about how she’s already 'spent the night' with him before– and he tell her something as equally mushy, like how for him every time she 'spends the night' it’s like the first time.

Yes, what girl doesn't dream of the day someone says those magic words: "Will you spend the night with me?"

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	queenanthai 2009-09-21 10:45 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, the first time I had a boyfriend with his own place, those were beautiful words. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	naebler 2009-09-21 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	So here is my question, remember the hinting that the "Still Birth" MJ had was actually an elaborate lie tailored by Norman to take Peter's child? If that went away, do you think we will ever see little May again? I mean she was shown to us by Mephisto... Lastly, who thinks that this NUSpidey will be fixed within five years? So we go back to our regular continuity? (Reply to this) (Thread)

sandoz_iscariot
2009-09-21 07:03 pm UTC (link)

I think it will take a full regime change (not just Quesada, but also the writers in the "Spidey Brain Trust" who have been outspoken about how bad the marriage was and how it aged the character) for OMD to be undone. I think it will be undone someday, though maybe not until someone who only remembers married Spider-Man as the "real" Spider-Man is in charge. How long that will be...who knows.

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	outlawpoet 2009-09-21 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	So if, hypothetically, one were to gain control of Marvel, who do you think would need to be prodded, specifically? Quesada obviously, but what editors and writers have been supportive of the OMD/BND Mephisto digeridoo? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-09-21 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	Tom Defalco and J. M. Dematteis would be a good place to start. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-09-21 09:48 pm UTC (link)
	Oops, I misread the post above mine. I meant to say Defalco and Dematteis seem to be supportive of the marriage. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	heat16 2009-09-21 09:00 pm UTC (link)
	And thus, I have a new mission in life. It will not be pretty, but by god it will be done! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bj_l 2009-09-21 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	Is Waid part of the braintrust? Or just someone they let write Spider-Man? If he is, I've never understood why he supported the marriage dissolution when he wrote a story about Wally and Linda selling their love to the devil, then married the two and has always written them as "it's a good thing when they're together!" It just seems odd. (Reply to this) (Parent)

cyberghostface
2009-09-21 07:23 pm UTC (link)

Well, I don't see baby May coming back even if the status quo was restored. The end of ASM before the reboot revealed that Norman hadn't kept BABY May away from Peter, but AUNT May. (The little girl at the end of OMD wasn't her, but a daughter Pete and MJ would have had if they had stayed married)

And yes, Bland New Day will be fixed eventually. Anyone who says otherwise is naive at best. Ben Reilly was once intended to take Spider-Man's place permanently, after all.

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	batmanexaminer 2009-09-21 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	Hey guys! I knew when I did these it would only be a matter of time before they would show up here. I'm the one who is doing these over at Crawlspace. Some of you may remember me from Scans Daily version 1.0 as the guy who did the retrospectives of Lyja, Lois's weddings and Gwen. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sandoz_iscariot 2009-09-21 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	Oh hey man! Glad to see you back over here. Nice work. (Reply to this) (Parent)

parusmajor
2009-09-24 12:07 pm UTC (link)

Hey there! I'm posting to this entry a bit late, but it's cool to see you're still around :) I really loved your Lois Lane Serial Bride series, and the one about Gwen Stacy. The Stacy series was particularly enlightening and interesting. I used to save those pages, pics and discussions on my computer.

Anyway, love these edits :) The "I got gas" one cracked me up real badly and I felt like a horrible humanbeing, laughing at those panels :p

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	quietprofanity 2009-09-21 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	Peter asking MJ if she would 'spend the night' with him for the first time– and she’d say something back about how she’s already 'spent the night' with him before– and he tell her something as equally mushy, like how for him every time she 'spends the night' it’s like the first time. So sex = marriage in terms of emotional commitment? Riiiiight. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	heat16 2009-09-21 09:04 pm UTC (link)
	Don't you just love how they just "get" women? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	halloweenjack 2009-09-21 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	This would not be terribly different, IMO, than what Claremont did when Marvel reprinted X-Men and he inserted scenes that made the older stories more in line with then-current continuity. I hated it then, too. (Reply to this)

cygna_hime
2009-09-21 09:19 pm UTC (link)

Right. Because "Have sex with me!" "But we already did!" "So let's do it again (because I like orgasms)!" is totally emotionally equivalent to "Let's promise to share the rest of our lives, for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in continuity and in retcons." "But we already did!" "So let's do it again (because I can't promise to love and cherish you forever too many times)!".

Forget women; I'm pretty sure these guys don't understand people, period. Men don't work like that, right? Right?

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	ashtoreth 2009-09-21 09:35 pm UTC (link)
	Absolutely. My husband was the one who wanted marriage because of love; I saw marriage as just a legal contract. To people who feel the way he did, marriage is a definite step that means something. It's absence means Peter MUST NOT have really felt that strongly about MJ. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	psychop_rex 2009-09-23 05:31 am UTC (link)
	Well, for the record, I'm pretty sure I don't work like that. I can't speak for the rest of the male gender. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bolaav 2009-09-21 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	although, i was pretty angry inside when the flashback of MJs night with bobby carr came up in the most recent spidey issue.. (Reply to this)

	darkknightjrk 2009-09-21 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	The gas one was frickin' hilarious. :D (Reply to this)

vitruvian23
2009-09-22 01:07 am UTC (link)

Have they actually ever said straight out that new continuity = no pregnancy? After all, they've said multiple times that *everything* was the same except the marriage, which I would take as saying the pregnancy *did* occur.

Of course, I also thought that "nobody knows Peter is Spider-Man" meant he went into a fugue state whenever he changed identities. After all, nobody means nobody, right?

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cyberghostface
2009-09-22 02:05 am UTC (link)

Have they actually ever said straight out that new continuity = no pregnancy? After all, they've said multiple times that *everything* was the same except the marriage, which I would take as saying the pregnancy *did* occur.

Per Joephisto himself:

"The question sort of answers itself when you quoted my saying that "almost" everything happened. The funny thing about the pregnancy issue is that Marvel at the time scrambled to derail the story as quickly as possible. I don't know exactly how that story got as far as it did, but they ultimately realized it was a huge mistake. So, taking that into consideration, I personally feel that that's one that didn't happen, chiefly because Peter and MJ now not having been married, would have taken proper precaution to avoid getting in the family way in the first place."

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	sandoz_iscariot 2009-09-22 02:09 am UTC (link)
	chiefly because Peter and MJ now not having been married, would have taken proper precaution to avoid getting in the family way in the first place. Wow, that's pretty Victorian. (Reply to this) (Parent)