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	(Anonymous) 2009-03-18 10:19 am UTC (link)
	Can someone still spoil his work over at no_scans? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jarodrussell 2009-03-18 10:43 am UTC (link)
	No, you'll have to use Google like the rest of us. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	midnightvoyager.livejournal.com 2009-03-18 10:54 am UTC (link)
	Y'all are welcome to not post his work. I suddenly don't really want to read any of it anyway... *goes back to thumbing through Things She Discovered At Scans_Daily And Then Bought* (Reply to this) (Thread)

tavella 2009-03-18 02:48 pm UTC (link)

The thing I like about scans_daily is that it's *not* just a promotional tool for whatever the comics industry wants shilled, it's about what fans are excited or interested in. So anyone who wants to play "promote only what I want promoted, the way I want it promoted" can just fuck off. PAD can practice for his whining when X-Factor is inevitably cancelled instead. Not that I think that will have anything to do with that, it's just that the audience for a Jamie Madrox solo book is probably below sustainable levels for a title, and X-Factor's sales have been in a pretty steady dive as people have noticed what they are getting. I'd give it another year, maybe. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

(no subject) - jlbarnett, 2009-03-19 09:50 am UTC

	bluefall 2009-03-18 11:36 am UTC (link)
	... Well that bones my Wonder Girl series pretty good. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	filbypott 2009-03-18 12:54 pm UTC (link)
	That sucks. :( (Reply to this) (Parent)

	daningram 2009-03-18 01:10 pm UTC (link)
	Which is rather ironic, when you consider the likelihood of Pad's Young Justice being collected in trade. This community gave that series alot of free promotion. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

(no subject) - bluefall, 2009-03-18 01:17 pm UTC

	foxhack 2009-03-18 01:42 pm UTC (link)
	You could always post it elsewhere. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

(no subject) - bluefall, 2009-03-18 01:44 pm UTC

*hee-HEE-hee* - peur_evol, 2009-03-18 04:40 pm UTC

Re: *hee-HEE-hee* - bluefall, 2009-03-18 06:01 pm UTC

	kali921 2009-03-18 11:38 am UTC (link)
	Did he speak out further on the subject, or is this a preemptive precautionary measure only? Dammit, after things cooled down I was going to post some of his rather awesome work on the Captain Marvel book. Ah, well. (Reply to this) (Thread)

schmevil 2009-03-18 06:22 pm UTC (link)

Combination of the two. We're going off his previous posts, our conversations with the Davids, and his more recent comments about piracy, the comics business and creator rights. He's still talking about SD and related stuff. It's not an issue he's letting go of any time soon, and it's not one on which he's likely to moderate his opinions. He's yet to come out and say we're dirty pirates who deserve to be thrown into jail. In fact he's said that he doesn't wish us ill. However, he remains convinced that our community does harm. What he has said is that he might be ok with SD if we asked permission first, and didn't post too much. He's never made clear where the line in the sand is for him. I now think of him as a ticking DMCA time bomb. He wants his content out of our hands, but he doesn't want to outright condemn us and thereby alienate fans even further. It's easier to take the threat out of his hands. I think this is something we can revisit in the future, but right now is just... asking for trouble. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-03-18 11:41 am UTC (link)
	I'm surprised anyone would still want to. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	cmdr_zoom 2009-03-18 11:43 am UTC (link)
	Some of his stuff is actually good and/or funny. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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daningram 2009-03-18 12:11 pm UTC (link)

The whole thing with PAD and the last scans daily really left a bad taste in my outh with regards to PAD. I mean, as far as he's concerned, we got no right whatsoever to know what a story's about. Covers lie, he's expressed the opinion that we (the consumers) shouldn't be privy and he hijacks his series to just focus on the characters he likes. Captain Marvel was really "Rick Jones and Sidekick" and X-Factor's really "Madrox and friends." So screw 'em. He ain't getting my money. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	lpetrazickis.livejournal.com 2009-03-18 12:12 pm UTC (link)
	Could you please define who PAD is -- I, for one, have no idea -- and give a list of some of PAD's work? (Reply to this) (Thread)

(no subject) - cmdr_zoom, 2009-03-18 12:32 pm UTC

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	foxhack 2009-03-18 12:45 pm UTC (link)
	Must... resist... telling him to... Ugh. Good luck getting new fans there, Mr. David! (Reply to this) (Thread)

(no subject) - mr_terrific, 2009-03-18 03:05 pm UTC

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	majingojira 2009-03-18 01:23 pm UTC (link)
	Um, call me Skeptical Mk. Skepticson, but...could I see direct quote and linkage to the effect if anyone has it? I dunno, what I have read of his response didn't seem that damning, but I admit to not giving it my full attention. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	angelophile 2009-03-18 02:14 pm UTC (link)
	It's all good. Although I don't know why he'd be bothered. Surely he'd be encouraging everyone to ask Marvel before posting scans, not him. After all, he's not the copyright holder, right? No difference between him and us in that regard. (Reply to this) (Thread)

(no subject) - icon_uk, 2009-03-18 03:19 pm UTC

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	xdoop 2009-03-18 05:17 pm UTC (link)
	While he's been more accepting of our posting older works, he's also made noises about wanting people to ask for his permission before scanning and sharing even small portions of his work. What'd he say? (Reply to this) (Thread)

(no subject) - schmevil, 2009-03-18 06:33 pm UTC

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WTF ??? - peur_evol, 2009-03-18 09:27 pm UTC

	cyberghostface 2009-03-18 05:49 pm UTC (link)
	I think the only PAD comics I'll read from now on are the Dark Tower comics and that has more to do with Stephen King than him. It's a shame, as he has written some nice stuff, but this whole affair and his attitude has left a sour taste in my mouth. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	bariman1987 2009-03-18 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	Darn, and here I was thinking about reposting my first original-flavor Scans_Daily post here as my first NuScans post, which was a couple pages from PAD's Supergirl. Hrm. (Reply to this)

	ladytimedramon 2009-03-18 06:50 pm UTC (link)
	You know, this is starting to remind me of how certain writers view Fanfiction.net (there are some writers who have fits if fanfiction based on their books appear at FFN - at least one of whom I refuse to buy any more of their novels because of the way they stated their attitude towards the fanfiction at a convention) (Reply to this)

raattgift 2009-03-18 06:57 pm UTC (link)

There is some beauty to a bunch of people who make time to acquire and read comic books spending that time talking about PAD's stuff (and PAD and the market) -- time that could instead be spent buying comic books, or reading a comic book (however acquired) and deciding whether its sequels or relatives are worth shelling out money for. I totally respect the wishes of someone who wants to be talked about as a person or as a player in the economy by people who might otherwise see an annotated sample of his work and think: "hm, that overview has convinced me that this might actually be worth supporting". Indeed, I want to encourage people to spend even more time arguing that PAD's stuff can be good, or funny -- entirely without evidence, mind you, because producing such evidence is against the rule announced here -- especially if it's time they might otherwise spend planning to buy more stuff from which PAD derives income. :-) Tell me how great you think PAD's stuff is. I really would like to know. Just don't show me. That's not allowed. (Reply to this)

	ashez2ashes 2009-03-18 07:38 pm UTC (link)
	I have to agree with this decision. It's better to be safe then sorry. Heck, I would go back and take out that PAD Supergirl post, and YJ post (sorry to the people that posted it) that were posted awhile ago. (Reply to this) (Thread)

(no subject) - galateus, 2009-03-19 09:14 pm UTC

Is it PAD who keeps bringing this up, or you? cylversaber 2009-03-19 01:48 pm UTC (link)

It seems to me PAD's point should be pretty simple for you guys to understand; don't post more than half the pages of a comic, because that's not remotely "fair use." This is something ANY author (yeah, Gail Simone, too) will say. And he's actually being extremely generous in terms of what he IS allowing (go check out his latest post on his site). Yet even weeks after you guys got caught going way beyond fair use, you're still going on whining about it and outright lying about what he said, in order to make him look mean and unreasonable. Now, I too have done stuff in my lifetime that I knew was wrong or that I could get in trouble for, but I never had the overwhelming nerve and sense of entitlement to attack somebody for catching me in the act! Word of advice; if you keep bringing it up and drawing attention to this issue, you're bound to attract the attention of other people who don't like their work being pirated, and some of them may not be as nice as PAD who did the bare minimum he was obligated to do in giving Marvel a heads-up. Other parties may actually start tracking down individual IP addresses, and filing lawsuits for thousands of dollars. Don't kid yourselves; this is happening every day, to ordinary people just like you. So please grow up, start taking responsibility for your actions, and stop blaming others. (Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: Is it PAD who keeps bringing this up, or you? - schmevil, 2009-03-19 05:14 pm UTC

Re: Is it PAD who keeps bringing this up, or you? - cylversaber, 2009-03-20 07:06 am UTC

Re: Is it PAD who keeps bringing this up, or you? - galateus, 2009-03-19 10:47 pm UTC

Re: Is it PAD who keeps bringing this up, or you? - cylversaber, 2009-03-20 06:51 am UTC

This is from PAD himself: heehaw_tng 2009-03-19 02:10 pm UTC (link)

This was posted in the comments section of his post about scans_daily on his site, and was then re-posted in this week's new comics thread: "Well, the last time I was over there it was made abundantly clear that I wasn’t welcome, so I’m not going to make the mistake of going over there and saying this. But feel free to post the following in response: The position espoused is not remotely correct. I have EXPLICITLY said that I have no problem with “snippets.” A few panels here, a page there. Anything that remotely falls under the realm of fair use is of no concern. And the comment about wanting people to consult with me over reproducing “even small portions” of my work is, again, 180 degrees away from what I said. What I had said was that–giving a for-instance–if people wanted to produce LARGE amounts (such as the 50% that was reproduced of X-Factor) of work to which I own the copyright (such as Fallen Angel) that they but had to approach me and we could likely work something out. Here I was trying to put forward an example of how I’d be willing to work with Scans regarding work where I have the legal option to make that call (unlike that Marvel work) and it’s being twisted and distorted to make me come across as uncooperative. I really can’t fathom it." Just thought hearing PAD's side might be a good thing. I know you're looking to avoid conflict, schmevil, but might we be going a bit too far by banning "All Peter David?" (Reply to this) (Thread)

Speaking only for myself. - jarodrussell, 2009-03-19 03:52 pm UTC

Re: This is from PAD himself: - schmevil, 2009-03-19 05:19 pm UTC