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batcookies (batcookies) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-14 01:02:00

Entry tags:

char: green lantern/kyle rayner, creator: garth ennis, nsfw: rape, publisher: dc comics

lol, Green Lantern was drugged and molested (or maybe even raped)!
Since we apparently have a theme going...

Garth Ennis' "Hitman" featured many memorable side characters. One of particular note was Bueno Excellente, "an obese, sweaty, and bald Latino in an overcoat who 'defeats evil with the power of perversion.' Generally, the only thing he says will be "Bueno", often preceded by a creepy chuckle."

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	khamelea 2009-09-14 06:28 am UTC (link)
	Repulsive character, repulsive everything. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-09-14 06:48 am UTC (link)
	Kyle's not that bad. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_menagerie993 2009-09-14 07:34 pm UTC (link)
	Tell that to anyone who's dated him! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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jlroberson
2009-09-14 07:12 am UTC (link)

I always thought Excellente Bueno was a great character for making a non-sequitur moment hilariously creepy as well. I should point out that I didn't really like that group he ran with and he's the only one that stayed in my mind. And in ceratin nightmares, but I respect that.

Thing about Ennis doing this kind of stuff: the over-the-top stuff is almost always in the service of comedy(except in CROSSED where it's pure horror, but it has its moments as well), and he does it better than a lot of other writers who try to imitate him. I think of Ennis as being in the same spirit of Parker & Stone, or some of the more extreme Python, or in HITMAN, PREACHER's seedy, beer-drinkin' urban third cousin, "the Young Ones," totally(reading HITMAN I often thought of it as where Ennis put all the ideas too sleazy and ridiculous for PREACHER, like it was his notebook, but that was fun). Or further back, Terry Southern or Michael O'Donoghue. Or shows like DEADWOOD.

It's Ennis' intelligence that makes it work, whereas Millar, when he tries, seems to be a lot more, "Here, have this, fucking fanboy! You like it? I'll make it worse! Mm, lovely money!" I don't know, but having had some actually-Irish friends, including two from Cork and one from Belfast(two of them women), I'd suggest that where Ennis lives this stuff is very much a laugh. They likes their gross-out, profane, over-the-top and pitch-black humor. And "fuck" and the c-word(both of them) are totally punctuation. I always took it as kind of a dare to relax. Because people who have lived through real problems, I guess, don't feel so threatened by words and pictures. That was certainly how it felt when I found myself much more easily shocked than them, whereas among Americans I have a high threshold of moral offense. Then you hear an Irish girl make a joke about rape, and you wonder if you're more sheltered or more aware. It's a weird feeling.

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khamelea
2009-09-14 07:22 am UTC (link)

"I always took it as kind of a dare to relax. Because people who have lived through real problems, I guess, don't feel so threatened by words and pictures."

I really don't want to get into a whole argument here, but that's not really an approach that's going to endear me to ideas like Bueno Excellente. Okay, so nothing will ever endear me to Bueno Excellente, but still.

I really don't think Deadwood or the comedy stylings of Monty Python have anything in common with the repulsive stylings of Garth Ennis, except that the former has foul language.

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	xlineartx 2009-09-14 06:52 am UTC (link)
	Please don't let this be rape week. D: (Reply to this) (Thread)

	okkult3000 2009-09-14 06:53 am UTC (link)
	C'mon, this place was askin' for it, dressed like that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	darklorelei 2009-09-14 06:56 am UTC (link)
	Seriously. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-09-14 07:19 am UTC (link)
	Can it be "getting sex through fraudulent means" week, instead? That's not rape! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kagome654 2009-09-14 09:11 am UTC (link)
	I don't like this theme :( Also, Ennis really didn't seem to like Kyle, I mean even compared to his usual irreverent and dismissive portrayal of most superheroes (except Superman). (Reply to this) (Thread)

stolisomancer
2009-09-14 09:53 am UTC (link)

Kyle came off as impossibly naive and goofy in Hitman, but does okay for himself in JLA/Hitman. Granted, everyone in the latter book is kind of a dick except Kyle and Superman.

Ennis admitted in an editorial for Bleeding Cool a couple of weeks ago that one of the reasons he doesn't take American superheroes terribly seriously is that he grew up reading Judge Dredd. Superheroes agonize about maybe killing one guy; Dredd vaporizes five hundred million and gives no fuck.

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	crinosg 2009-09-14 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	Most writers don't seem to like Kyle, from what I've seen. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thokstar 2009-09-14 03:22 pm UTC (link)
	Ennis really doesn't like Green Lantern; that Kyle was the current Green Lantern is why he gets the brunt of this. True story: Ennis held a contest to come up with the worst idea for a superhero name, with Green Lantern as the baseline. The first response (and immediately accepted winner) was Dogwelder, who Ennis did a good job creating and putting into Hitman, (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thanekos 2009-09-14 04:05 pm UTC (link)
	.... you know, this would explain why the easily manipulatable CIA director in The Boys is surnamed Rayner. or something like it has to. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	lieut_kettch 2009-09-14 10:39 am UTC (link)
	Interesting trivia: the inspiration for the character was apparently this porn star whose gimmick was only saying "Bueno" over and over. Until he reached climax, that is, which is when he'd end with a "Bueno... Excellente." (Reply to this)

lencannon
2009-09-14 03:13 pm UTC (link)

The thing with Ennis is that his shock/filth/"realistic deprivation" can be enjoyable but... it is still outrageous. For instance, I enjoyed The Boys for quite awhile until something (I can't even remember the particular incident) made me mortally offended and disgusted.

I then had to go back and look at everything else and realize that pretty much everything before it was almost as bad, if not worse, than what set me off. That's sort of Ennis for me in a nutshell. You go along enjoying it until you get offended once and then you realize the entire thing was offensive from the start and you've shown you're not as high minded as you thought for enjoying it.

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	cmdr_zoom 2009-09-15 01:20 am UTC (link)
	I hit that point almost immediately. It might have been the very first post of his stuff that I saw on the original scans_daily. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	timemonkey 2009-09-14 05:28 pm UTC (link)
	Completely unnecessary and not remotely funny. (Reply to this)

	foxhack 2009-09-14 07:51 pm UTC (link)
	... Wait. Does this mean Bueno Excellente was fridged? He hasn't shown up in a long while... and well... he slept with Kyle. Aheh. (Reply to this)

	skylands 2009-09-14 08:38 pm UTC (link)
	I hate Garth Ennis so fucking much. Ugh. Could he be a little more repetitive? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	werehawk 2009-09-15 02:16 pm UTC (link)
	Motto! Ennis tries to be so cool, but he is just boring. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	scottyquick 2009-09-14 09:37 pm UTC (link)
	That wasn't necessary, that wasn't wanted, I didn't want to read or see or hear about that at all. (Reply to this)

	parsimonia 2009-09-15 01:57 am UTC (link)
	Quite frankly, what I find most distasteful here is your subject heading. Whatever point you're trying to make is lost because of it. (Reply to this)

werehawk
2009-09-15 02:15 pm UTC (link)

It's not that I am a prude with my comic tastes but Garth Ennis' stories just always seem to suck to me. And I was a great follower of GL through the whole series. Even Ben Raab's stories were better than Ennis'. (And his Hitman/Green Lantern crossover was so so stupid). Maybe its because Ennis' world always has the same types of characters with the same attitudes, the types of characters that just don't exist (except maybe in the fringes occasionally) in the real world. They are just caricatures and that is kinda lame.

My many previous Ennis dislikes aside (like how much Preacher sucked after all the hype), I try to be open minded. Truth be told, my library has a Constantine trade by Ennis that I just read and it was the first Ennis story I actually enjoyed (where he ends up breaking up with Kit).

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	cloot 2009-09-15 11:59 pm UTC (link)
	I miss Hitman! I wounder if Tommy Monaghan could come back as a Black Lantern? (Reply to this)