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psychicsaphie ([info]psychicsaphie) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-03 20:22:00

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Entry tags:char: blue beetle/jaime reyes, char: miss martian/m'gann m'orzz, char: red devil/eddie bloomberg, char: wonder girl/cassie sandsmark, group: teen titans, publisher: dc comics, title: teen titans

Teen Titans 74
MASSIVE SPOILERS

Do not click unless you want to be spoiled.



So when we were last left with the Titans, blah blah prison break, blah blah distractions, blah blah, the Calculator has a huge plan going to mess with the Titans. Lots of foreshadowing about a Titan dying, and it was pretty clear from Origins and Omens who.

The problem is the Titans left the situation at the prison without realizing there was a severely injured metahuman with nuclear powers slowly going critical, so that it wasn't even noticeable until after they left and got into the fighting elsewhere. Eddie was informed of this fact via a "government agent" that turns out to be the Calculator having rerouted all communications from the Tower.

Trap or not, calculated or not, this guy is going critical. The others are fighting for their lives, so Eddie does what a Titan does and powers or not, pulls his own weight.









Wonder girl goes to beat the snot out of the bad guys, Amazon style, but stops raeging and doesn't do anything she'd regret.

And ultimately... they learn from it. Rather than it destroying them like the Calculator intends, they deal with it.

And I have to say, I've severely disliked this trend as Titans being expendable canon fodder, I'm sick of characters dying in general, but... I was very happy with how this turned out. Eddie went from being a kid sidekick to a kind of useless lump that couldn't hold down a job, to someone so desperate for a family and to be a hero that he sold his soul for superpowers to be able to be a Titan--and then who refused to be useless when he lost those powers. He had a hell of an arc, and came a long way from being something of a dorky foob wannabe.

Recently, the Titans have gotten chumped. Random, pointless deaths all over. In making a comparison to the Legion of Superheroes, recently, to a friend, I pointed out that when Legionnaires die it is typically in a blaze of fucking glory, and how it's much more satisfying. Yes, people just die sometimes, and no, not everyone can have a heroic death, but you still expect one every once in while, and after a string of pointless ones, it gets tiring and seems like all they want is a gore-splosion. These are heroes, dammit. Even if death is swift and surprising, they still would likely give the finger to evil as they go down.

And here, Eddie just carries a walking nuke away, gets himself bombarded by a ton of radiation, carries the dude even as it burns him horribly, and kind of flies right into his death with a smile on his face, and a loyal "They'd do it for me"--with all the faith in the world that they would, and without a flinch. And even if he'd known it was a trap, since it was the only way to save them, and communication was cut off, you know he would've done it anyway.

I would've liked more time with the Red and the Blue, but I was happy with this. It wasn't a chump death--it was a send off, with the characters dealing afterward by not dwelling in angst, but deciding to fight harder, learn from their mistakes, stick together, and make sure his sacrifice to save them all wasn't in vain.

He believed in the Titans, and it ends on the note of them trying to believe in themselves. THAT is how you do a death if you're gonna do one.

So, RIP Eddie. Thanks for dying in an attempt to make the Titans suck less. It probably won't work because the new writer sounds utterly vapid ("Static is special because he’s the male version of me – Pasadena, California as my Dakota. I was this kid growing up, except for the whole big bang explosion-turns-you-into-a-super-hero-ability-to-harness-electromagnetism part"--oh God, make it stop), but thanks for trying, kid.



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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 01:25 am UTC (link)
I.E. Like when someone says "I hate such and such" and someone goes "BLASPHEMER!"

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[info]icon_uk
2009-09-04 01:29 am UTC (link)
In such cases "Blasphemer" is so out of context it's obviously not meant seriously.

"Boo, You Whore", on the other hand, is more direct and much less obviously meant in a non-serious manner.

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 01:32 am UTC (link)
How is it more direct? The person isn't engaging in any whorish behavior and I don't even know if they're a girl or a dude. It's just as out of context.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-09-04 01:38 am UTC (link)
"Whore" is much more commonly used as a generic insult than "blasphemer" ever is.

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 01:46 am UTC (link)
It's also used as a joke one, too, if you're not uptight about it. I think it's a silly icon with a silly phrase that it would be silly for Bullseye to actually say, because it's a teen girl thing to say matched with a cold, hardened assassin dude. It's already out of context.

If the person I responded to (which is not you) is genuinely upset by it, I'd just give 'em a genuine "my bad," because I was just being silly and thought that'd come across, and if the mods deigned to give me a strike over it, I wouldn't argue it.

But part of a personal insult is intent. There was none on my end to actually insult the other poster. I thought the icon was silly, and that any silliness would come across. Apparently, it didn't. All I can do there is go "whoops" and clarify that I thought it was just silly. Which I have done.

So chill. You're not fighting a huge injustice here. You're fighting "someone thought an icon was silly enough to not be taken seriously and didn't take into account someone else would interpret it seriously."

And honestly, you're doing the thing that makes me have the hugest problem I do with this place, and why I only just rejoined, like, today. I'm all for holding people accountable to their words, and anti-racist, anti-misogynist, anti-ableist language and all that, but there's a point where people cross over into ignoring the intent of the poster and the fact that sometimes they don't communicate things well or a joke goes off its mark rather than them intending ill will.

Chill. I'll be more careful next time. Though, honestly, the easiest way to settle this was simply explaining it wasn't a real insult and that I meant it like "Blasphemer", which I already did, and would've done if the poster went "Hey!"

You didn't even need to step in. Let it go.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-09-04 07:33 am UTC (link)
I think you're actually taking this a lot more seriously than I was.

As I said, the icon ONLY has meaning in the context you intended if you know an obscure line of dialogue from a fairly obscure movie a couple of years ago. I know I'd never heard it before, and I'd put good money on not a whole lot of other people knowing it either.

Otherwise it's simply an insult from a character known to use insults, so you can perhaps see the problem.

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 07:53 am UTC (link)
Nah, I'm just annoyed that I've seen stuff like this crop up in s_d more than once.

So yeah, I do see the problem: oversensitivity. The poster got my drift, thankfully. If they hadn't, I would've clarified. Like I did.

It ain't no thang but a chicken wing. End of story.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-09-04 11:37 am UTC (link)
Fair enough... Out of curiosity, does a chicken wing even HAVE a "thang"?

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(Anonymous)
2009-09-04 01:38 am UTC (link)
Why would the OP's gender matter? Is "whore" more insulting if they're female, or less?

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 01:48 am UTC (link)
If it was a man, it wouldn't been "man-whore" if I was actually trying to insult someone. Which I wasn't. Since I was joking.

The point is I have no idea who the poster is, and thus the "insult" wasn't tailored to them, because it wasn't meant to be an actual insult. It was just a flippant fake "BLASPHEMER!" kinda thing, that missed the mark.

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[info]khamelea
2009-09-04 02:47 am UTC (link)
"If it was a man, it wouldn't been "man-whore" if I was actually trying to insult someone."

I think it still would have been "whore."

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 02:59 am UTC (link)
Well, if it was a dude, the icon was made that way, so it would've been the same icon.

But if it was a dude, and I was actually trying to be insulting, it would've been man-whore. I use the word regularly. Usually in reference to my older bro. Except that's in a joking manner typically, too.

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 03:03 am UTC (link)
And that being said, you can give up now in your quest to prove I'm an anti-feminist, slut-shaming un-PC woman-hater. Not everyone who misfires on a joke is. Nice try, though.

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[info]khamelea
2009-09-04 03:04 am UTC (link)
I think you may want to take a few deep breaths here?

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(no subject) - [info]psychicsaphie, 2009-09-04 03:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khamelea, 2009-09-04 03:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychicsaphie, 2009-09-04 03:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khamelea, 2009-09-04 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychicsaphie, 2009-09-04 03:21 am UTC

[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 01:48 am UTC (link)
*would've been

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[info]freddylloyd
2009-09-04 01:51 am UTC (link)
Rule of thumb from baseball umpires: Swear as much as you want, but as soon as the word "you" gets in there, it's personal, and the player's out of the game.

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 01:52 am UTC (link)
It is an ICON. Of a hardened assassin talking like a teenage girl.

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(Anonymous)
2009-09-04 03:19 am UTC (link)
I thought it was funny.
=)

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[info]psychicsaphie
2009-09-04 03:20 am UTC (link)
Thank you. Glad to know I'm not the only one. I was starting to wonder if it was a "You're a bad person and should feel bad!" kinda thing.

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[info]lady_mondegreen
2009-09-04 06:38 am UTC (link)
I like that icon, too. Some people are more touchy than others, I guess.

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[info]snosten
2009-09-04 07:11 am UTC (link)
yeah i feel you on this whole thing. it just seems like some things here are way more a touchy subject than they should be.

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[info]kagome654
2009-09-04 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Not at all. I understand where the others are coming from, but I've seen that icon before and have always liked it (and always assumed it was used in
jest)

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[info]toasty_fresh
2009-09-04 02:57 pm UTC (link)
I think icon_uk was just pointing out that some people might take it the wrong way, and you both got, um, kind of defensive.

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(no subject) - [info]psychicsaphie, 2009-09-04 03:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]freddylloyd, 2009-09-04 09:56 pm UTC

[info]v_various
2009-09-04 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I saved it to my "icons that make me laugh" folder, before I read this whole retarded thread, lol.

I think it's amazing, and I didn't even get the reference since I've never seen the movie *thumbs up*

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[info]parsimonia
2009-09-04 10:57 pm UTC (link)
before I read this whole retarded thread, lol.

Please refrain from using ableist language in this community. I'm going to ask you that you read our community ethos.

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