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espanolbot (espanolbot) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-31 00:13:00

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creator: alan moore, genre: reviews, medium: videos, title: doctor who

Daleks: All you need to Know!, the Deathsmiths of Goth! and Nostalgia Critic's 'Steel'

Remember kids, Daleks can go two thousand miles an hour, but their inability to see red means they collide with postboxes, old phoneboxes and buses a lot.

And to bridge this to the next section, one of my favourite moments from the new series,

Cut down from the original size.

The Cybermen split up, but find no trace of the legendary if melodramatically named Deathsmiths, other than streets littered with bones.

Meanwhile, a mysterious being attacks a Cyberman who wandered off by himself,

The Cybermen pack up the looted weapons onto their ship, but find the rusted remains of the aforementioned attacked Cyberman. The other Cybermen find themselves plagued with nightmares, despite the fact that they're not meant to be able to dream any more due to the cyberconversion.

Apparently this planet played some part in the Time War in the backstory of the new series, though I can't remember how much they referenced other than the name being mentioned briefly.

A good story involving a fight between Sontarans (who appear at the end of the last story) and a (friendly) Cyberman called Kroton can be found behind the link,
http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/536382.html#cutid1

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	volksjager 2009-08-30 11:43 pm UTC (link)
	Cool stuff. The only one your missing is that creepy Sontaran one in ancient Egypt. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-08-30 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	I posted that one already, no one read it though. :( (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-08-30 11:53 pm UTC (link)
	Hmmmmmm. Do you have the Alan Moore that started the Time war with Omega and the Star ??? Seriously I'd like to see more stuff that didn't come from Marvel and DC. widen the pallet a bit :) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-08-30 11:54 pm UTC (link)
	I'm afraid not. I do have one that involves more Kroton, the Nineth Doctor in Feudal Japan and a mental institution for robots that I might post later possibly. :) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-08-30 11:58 pm UTC (link)
	Wasn't there another Cyberman one called "throwback" or something ? It used the old bandage Tomb of the cyberman look ? Any chance of that ? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	btravage.livejournal.com 2009-08-31 01:59 am UTC (link)
	Mental institution for robots? Are they Insane in the Mainframe? "I was born in 300 Log Cabins" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-08-31 10:55 am UTC (link)
	The Hexadecimal Home for the Digitally Demented? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-08-31 02:19 am UTC (link)
	I have Star Death somewhere to hand... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-09-02 11:30 am UTC (link)
	Egypt or China? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-08-30 11:59 pm UTC (link)
	I love the Dalek facts... Must dig out my own copies of "The Dalek Annual" and "The Dalek Outer Space Book" sometime The creature providing a critical observation of the weapons as the Cyberman tries to kill him is rather creepy, but fun. I don't recall Goth being mentioned in the new series at all, but I suppose I wouldn't have made a connection. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-08-31 12:01 am UTC (link)
	I think that it might have just been one line and never brought up again, I'm not sure. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	vignettelante 2009-08-31 12:03 am UTC (link)
	... I'm just flabbergasted by the name "Deathsmiths of Goth." (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-08-31 12:05 am UTC (link)
	They wore a lot of spiky leather, make-up and rocked out a lot. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluefall 2009-08-31 01:35 am UTC (link)
	I've always been puzzled by the ability of scifi authors to somehow get "things of X color are invisible" from "Y creature can't see X." I mean, I don't necessarily expect everyone to understand the physics of visible light, but... like, have they not met colorblind people? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	blaketiger 2009-08-31 01:41 am UTC (link)
	It gets even better on two levels. First- just about everything in that comic is red. Second, I'm sure I've seen a bright red Dalek labeled 'stealth' somewheres. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	leikomgwtfbbq 2009-08-31 02:12 am UTC (link)
	The comic is red so that the Daleks won't figure out that we're passing around information about them, arming ourselves with knowledge. :P (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-08-31 02:18 am UTC (link)
	I believe that that was sort of an in-joke. Of course, a later TV series, Planet to the Daleks, was devoted to the Daleks trying to get the secret of invisibility from the inhabitants of the planet Spiridon (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-08-31 03:12 am UTC (link)
	The red ones are from the films, they have the "claw" instead of the "plunger" as well. (Reply to this) (Parent)

seawolf10
2009-08-31 07:45 pm UTC (link)

Hell, I don't really understand the physics of visual light. From what little I think I know about how it works...

...I guess authors are assuming that "Y creature is colorblind for X color" (example: hunting safety vests are bright orange because deer are red-orange colorblind) automatically means "Y creature's eyes are unable to perceive X color as part of the visible spectrum" (sort of how humans can't see infra-red or UV light)

...in which case anything intelligent should still be able to track a moving object, since the moving object would seem to be obscuring anything it passes in front of, a la Ambrose Bierce's "The Damned Thing": http://www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/L_damned.htm

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bluefall
2009-08-31 09:24 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, it'd just look black or grey, usually. Possibly sort of orange, depending where the creature's sensitivity stops. It'd be exactly like you or I looking at a human wearing a black shirt - that shirt's giving off a little heat, so to anyone who can see infrared, it's got a color. We can't see infrared, so we don't see that. Mysteriously, the shirt remains perfectly visible to us.

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	seawolf10 2009-09-01 09:14 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, thanks. (Reply to this) (Parent)

zordboy
2009-08-31 02:47 am UTC (link)

Yeah, I was definitely one of those people who mocked the Daleks for *years* for not being terribly frightening.

And just last year when I sat down and watched all of the three seasons that marked Tenant's run as the Doctor -- I stand by what I said. Daleks are not scary, I mean, I got nothin'. Watching them sort of made me wonder how anyone could've ever found them scary in the first place.

OTOH, full props to the snappy dialogue in that scene with the Daleks and Cyberman. 'Cause that was awesome.

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zippthorn
2009-08-31 05:11 am UTC (link)

Daleks are not scary

Well, you're wrong.

HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

(I know that's not Daleks, but it still fits).

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	zordboy 2009-08-31 05:38 am UTC (link)
	... yeah, I got nothing. shrugs Oh no, Daleks hate people and there's lots of them and they want to kill everyone. Because there's no other villains in the entire history of fiction with those attributes, not a one. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	batcookies 2009-08-31 10:36 am UTC (link)
	They really really hate us. It's not just normal hatred either. It's genetic. The most powerful xenophobia of all time is encoded right into their genes. They are the most perfect hate-machines imaginable. Hate. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zordboy 2009-08-31 11:36 am UTC (link)
	"They are the most perfect hate-machines imaginable." nods And how many years did it take them to learn how to climb stairs? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zippthorn 2009-08-31 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	Uh . . . not that it matters, but stairs have never been their enemy. Missiles to their eyestalk, however . . . (Reply to this) (Parent)

	batcookies 2009-08-31 11:08 pm UTC (link)
	The traditional Dalek solution to "stairs": Destroy the building. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	zippthorn 2009-08-31 11:27 pm UTC (link)
	More like: Destroy the building, destroy everyone in the building, destroy anyone involved in making the building, destroy anyone who witnessed its construction, destroy anyone not Dalek who witnessed it's destruction, destroy everyone not Dalek onworld who doesn't fit into any of the above categories . . . move to next world. (Reply to this) (Parent)

icon_uk
2009-08-31 10:54 am UTC (link)

No, but there are few who are quite so... dedicated to their cause, to the exclusion of all others.

They are not mindless, they are capable of logical reason and thought, but are so utterly consumed by a hatred for EVERYTHING which is not a Dalek that it doesn't matter.

Such utter loathing and essentially pro-active nihilsm is a tough one to match. The Borg want to assimilate, the Empire wants to rule, the Daleks "just" want to live in a universe where anything that is not a Dalek is dead, and that they personally destroyed

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	espanolbot 2009-09-01 02:54 pm UTC (link)
	This is a selection of good clips, whether you consider it to be scary is subjective, but the Emperor speechifying is always entertaining, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP3Volxvi44 (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ex_stig213 2009-08-31 08:52 am UTC (link)
	They should bring back the old Cyber-Uniforms in some way - the new ones are too clunky and lack the sleek 'sci-fi' feel of the classics. Plus, there's story potential behind the idea of the last of the classic Cybermen...trapped on Mondas, continually harvesting old machine parts to rebuild himself... (Reply to this) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-08-31 10:49 am UTC (link)

It's a tough call, I personally love the innate creepiness of the Tenth Planet originals (The human hands, the sensation that there's SOMETHING like a face under the cloth mask, but probably not much like a face)

The Earthshock era ones never did that much for me.

On the other hand I like the Industrial tech of the new ones, especially the fact they've taken the notion of the sound design, so they actually SOUND like they weigh half a ton, as opposed to the classics who are essentially guys in silver jumpsuits.

Their origin sucked big time (It was the self-inflicted nature of the classics which made them creepy, the new wave are essentially victims of a Bond-villain scheme) but I like the new ones too.

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	ex_stig213 2009-08-31 12:30 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, yeah, I wouldn't completely bash the new ones - it was an inspired twist to make them expressions of mobile-phone-internet culture - but at the same time, they're more 'Stormtrooper Soldier' oppressive than 'Multiple Surgery' creepy, making them seem like second-class Daleks. A conflict between any proportion of old and new Cybermen would be good. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	unknownscribler 2009-09-02 11:38 am UTC (link)
	The thing I love about comics cybermen is that they're essentially vulcans, and have distinct personalities that are just emotionless. I never really liked the TV versions mindless uniformity, which always seemed better suited to Daleks. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Unbelievable.. steverodgers5 2009-08-31 11:47 am UTC (link)
	I remember reading that Cybermen story as a kid and getting completley freaked out by it. Now, all these years later and I find out it was by Alan Moore? Wow. And yet I guess that makes sense. The guy could write some creepy stories when he put his mind to it.. (Reply to this)

	comicoz 2009-08-31 04:07 pm UTC (link)
	I purposely avoided seeing the Steel movie, so that was the first 20 minutes of it I've seen, and I see I was justified. Wow, what a bad movie! (Reply to this)