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volksjager (volksjager) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-03-13 21:13:00

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Entry tags:	char: creeper/jack ryder, publisher: dc comics

Beware, The Creeper !

Normally I hate the way some writters pick up their ball and leave never letting other people write a character they invented...

But almost anyone other that Steve Ditko and the results with the Creeper are just god awful...

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	jlroberson 2009-03-13 08:32 pm UTC (link)
	The Creeper solely existed to let Ditko draw swirly curly things jumping around. Of course it makes no sense without him. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-13 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	Oh I think he was great character Jack Ryder. Sort like the relationship to the Sentry/Void to Creeper/Proteus. I will say tho' I think I am the only person who like the girl Creeper from the 20's Paris.:) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	dr_hermes 2009-03-13 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	Jack Ryder and Vic Sage... you can see where Ditko's thoughts were heading. It would have been interesting if he had stayed on the title longer to explore objectivism a bit, give the readers something to think about other than who could beat up who, and cause gray hairs in his editor. (Reply to this) (Parent)

creeper_lady
2009-03-13 11:31 pm UTC (link)

I enjoyed the female Creeper, but at the time I was disapointed that Jack didn't have any part in this series, when I first read it I had no idea what to expect except for the fact there was a girly Creeper staring in it, so I was surprised. The art made me stick with it and in the end it turned out to be a really fascinating read with an interesting setting (plus she did look pretty kick ass).
I'm surprised it hasn't been scanned for scans daily before now you mention it (I might well have to post some pages myself sometime if I can find a scanned copy online).

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	volksjager 2009-03-14 09:02 am UTC (link)
	It was a fun one off story. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jarodrussell 2009-03-14 06:01 pm UTC (link)
	Spawn Cape 0.1 (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-14 07:04 pm UTC (link)
	? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluejaybirdie 2009-03-13 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. At my school, "creeper" is slang for an awkward and unwanted hanger-on.* (Ex: "Oh my god he's such a creeper!") Gives this story an even more hilarious spin for me. Especially that Wanted: Creeper poster. *logic being that that person kinda slowly creeps up on you...until you notice they're there! (Reply to this)

	mysteryfan 2009-03-14 05:09 am UTC (link)
	I love how he's like, "I'd better slip in unannounced." In an outfit made for sneaking. I keep trying to think what celebrity he reminds me of. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-14 07:04 pm UTC (link)
	It was not made for stealth... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bwmedia.wordpress.com 2009-03-15 09:16 pm UTC (link)
	Sure it was, just like Robin's costume... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ex_menagerie993 2009-03-14 11:24 am UTC (link)
	To be fair, Shade the Changing Man was amazing, despite the rather flat ending. I think Kid Eternity was his as well and Grant's Kid was also pretty damn good I felt. Grant has a good way of dealing with obscure characters though. There was a decent Creeper series that came in the 90's. Different though, and much more twisted. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-14 11:45 am UTC (link)
	Personally I don't think the Creeper was twisted. Most other people have the character sinister and manic crazy( this I feel is the mistake others make). Ditko did him as just slightly out of his head losing touch with reality.As I said something more like the Sentry is done. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_menagerie993 2009-03-14 12:08 pm UTC (link)
	And I do like that, I just think the 90's Creeper was well done, if disturbing. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

creeper_lady
2009-03-14 01:07 pm UTC (link)

Yeah I liked the 90's series even if a few of the issues were a bit weak. They played up the psychological aspect well and they made Ryder a much more sympathetic guy, the trouble was they made The Creeper part of his character a bit too whacked out and bizarre considering Ditko's original was more of a ghoulish act (though with that costume you can certainly see why the idea of insanity goes hand in hand with many peoples thoughts on the character).

That said they tried to tie up the conflicting continuity that had built up over time and really tried to place Proteus more firmly in the role of arch enemy. I would have liked to see where the series could have gone after Ryder had reconciled with his other half or even if he would still view the Creeper as another half (it was suggested that he didn't actually have a second personality).
Either way it was a yet another version of the Creeper that was subsequently discarded amongst the continual mangling of the original.

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	volksjager 2009-03-14 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	to each their own:) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

psychop_rex
2009-03-15 02:32 am UTC (link)

I don't think it's all that big of a leap from 'acts like he's crazy and enjoys it' to 'actually crazy'. Anyway, it's not like this happened all at once - I'm pretty sure the whole 'Creeper being crazy' thing was gradually introduced over several decades worth of stories, so you can view it as character development, if you like. Anyway, he's cool, whether crazy or not. Anyone who has the chutzpah (not sure if I'm spelling that right) to leap around Gotham wearing almost nothing except striped briefs and a throw rug on his back HAS to be cool.

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	volksjager 2009-03-15 06:23 pm UTC (link)
	There is a difference between crazy and psychotic. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-03-15 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	I would argue that psychotic is merely an advanced form of crazy. Nonetheless, I wouldn't call the Creeper 'psychotic' - quite possibly insane, yes, but not psychotic. The Joker is psychotic; Creeper is merely eccentric to the point of lunacy and with (to quote Jim Carrey) a 'SERIOUS impulse control problem'. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-03-15 06:16 pm UTC (link)
	Third page, thought balloon: "Now for some classy dialogue..." Don't force it, Creeper. (Reply to this)

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