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04nbod (04nbod) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-07 15:05:00

Current location:	on my couch
Current mood:	tired
Current music:	incubus-drive
Entry tags:	char: batgirl/cassandra cain, char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: supergirl/kara zor-el, event: crisis on infinite earths, title: supergirl, title: superman/batman, title: tiny titans

Best Friends Until Retcons!
One of the biggest losses after the Great Supergirl Retcon Distaster of 1986 was the loss of the friendship between Supergirl and Batgirl. While never utilised like it should have been it had its moments. In light of the post on noscans_daily about female friends in comics I offer something more wholesome and heartwarming. Also I bring news that Supergirl will team up with the new Batgirl in Worlds Finest #3 at the end of the year.

One of my favourite moments in Crisis was this rooftop talk between Supergirl and Batgirl. In a nutshell, with great power comes great responsibility.

Of course Supergirl dies and Batgirl lives, the danger is the same. The more power you have the bigger monsters you have to face. The Anti-Monitor was to Supergirl what the Joker was to Batgirl. (Ok so she didn't die but her Batgirl persona did) Our goliaths aren't all the same size.

TED!! (...sorry I has a moment there)

After The Great Sueprgirl Retcon Disaster relations between Barbara and the super-family distanced. DC actively turned Power Girl away from that friendship. Barbara didn't ask Matrix into the Birds as she was 'too super'. It wasn't until Kara returned that it was reignited properly (I think the last christmas special was posted already where Barbara and Kara) but there was a pitfall.

Turns out that Barbara is clayface and Kara dumps him in gotham harbour but it was nice to see them together again. There is something about how both of them look together than can never be replicated and sometimes a little nostalgia about what has passed is just right. It was also a nice nod to the New Batman Adventures story

part one- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOoVc2Kxwik
part two- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKM9volh0w

Then came her encounter with the latest Batgirl- Cassandra Cain

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who tried to kill her and they have never sat down, talked about it and made up. The new Supergirl/Batgirl adventure will be interesting to see to say the least but for me, well I already have my fave BFFs together elsewhere...

AW YEAH BEST FRIENDS!

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	volksjager 2009-08-07 02:59 pm UTC (link)
	That headband was just so much "Yuck". (Reply to this)

	requiem2adream 2009-08-07 03:08 pm UTC (link)
	Tiny Titans makes my heart melt in a new way every time I read an issues. (Reply to this)

	lultam 2009-08-07 03:14 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, there's even a Tiny Titans Ace! That's just awesome (Reply to this)

	tacobob 2009-08-07 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	Uh-Oh, Bizzaro doesn't like the tea! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	taggerung301 2009-08-07 06:08 pm UTC (link)
	hahaha, didn't notice that at first good catch sir (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jelly_ace 2009-08-07 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	Aw, Tiny Supergirl is so cute!!! Could someone make an icon? Pretty please? (Reply to this)

	pepperspray101 2009-08-07 05:02 pm UTC (link)
	Yup, thanks for reminding how badly DC treated Cass Cain. You would almost think they hate her or something. The assholes... (Reply to this)

	bradygirl_12 2009-08-07 05:23 pm UTC (link)
	sighs I hated it when they killed Linda and the retcon after that was one disaster after another. I miss the girls. sighs (Reply to this)

	statham1986 2009-08-07 05:31 pm UTC (link)
	Hhahaha, that panel with Cass seemingly attempting a bodyscissor on Kara looks like Xenia Onatopp with a massive heaping of FAIL. (Reply to this)

	sistermagpie 2009-08-07 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	Those two are awesome friends! (Reply to this)

	daningram 2009-08-07 07:55 pm UTC (link)
	Freakin' DC, Cass never really got to enjoy any of the dynamics that came with being Batgirl. Jerks treated her like an ugly cousin. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	runespoor7 2009-08-07 08:34 pm UTC (link)
	Otoh, she also got the best character defining moments! Stuff that really meant something! Stuff that showed, perfectly, unarguably, how much of a hero she was! Stuff that makes her untaintable a character! Stuff that not later writer would ever be able to ignore! I want to cry. (Reply to this) (Parent)

bluefall
2009-08-07 08:04 pm UTC (link)

Ow, my eyes. Put a warning on that Churchill art!

(I can't even like the nostalgia factor in that scene, because it does it at the expense of the actual original Batgirl's actual character. Kara says she caught the Clayface ruse because she "read what happened to the original Batgirl" in Oracle's files - it does not strike me as especially plausible that Babs would hand out information like that to a complete stranger. She didn't even tell Dinah that she used to *be* Batgirl, much less that she was shot and paralyzed, for at least the first year of their extremely intimate partnership. Giving Supertorso the deeply private inside scoop on her just as a casual aside says to me "these guys don't actually care about Babs, but they're still trying to capitalize on the fact that I do." Sorry, Loeb, no dice.)

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	ashtoreth 2009-08-08 02:35 am UTC (link)
	It could have been something like, 'The original Batgirl retired due to injury.' I'd expect Supergirl to have had access to Batman's files though, which should've been more complete. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

bluefall
2009-08-08 03:01 am UTC (link)

Nah, she specifically names her info source as "Oracle's files," and the way she talks about it - "what happened to the original Batgirl, it was horrible," or something emphatic and invested to that effect - definitely indicates she's aware of specifics beyond a mere "retired due to injury." In fact, the way she says it makes it seem even more complete than "paralyzed by the Joker during a home invasion" or whatever, which is the most you'd expect even Bruce's files to say; she reacts viscerally, like she somehow learned the actual details of the kidnapping etc.

Which I can't see Bruce giving her access to, let alone Babs.

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	ashtoreth 2009-08-08 03:03 am UTC (link)
	But Oracle provided files to a lot of people, like the JLA. Considering the way she was treated like the Trinity's favorite daughter, it makes sense that she was provided files for a working knowledge. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-08-08 03:44 am UTC (link)
	Why would Oracle offer files to Rex Mason and Ollie Queen on stuff she doesn't even talk about with Dinah? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-08-08 04:35 am UTC (link)
	I ask similar questions as to why Supergirl was trusted so suddenly--Krypto didn't like her! Did they ever explain that?--but Oracle WAS trusted as information broker to the JLA. Maybe different writers characterized her differently. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

bluefall
2009-08-08 05:55 am UTC (link)

Well, that's my point; this is a characterization of Babs that's wildly in contrast to her established habits under years of other writers (even Morrison, for whom characterization seems to be a fairly low priority). It shows a lack of respect/interest by Loeb in Oracle and her current canon or character, which makes it impossible for me to buy the Kara-Babs teamup here as coming from any kind of authentic respect for Babs either.

Krypto didn't like her! Did they ever explain that?

Krypto doesn't like anybody. (Except he likes Diana. But everybody likes Diana. I will credit Loeb with some amusing dialog exchanges.)

Actually as much as the Supertorso introduction is forced and ridiculous and other increasingly melodramatic adjectives of disdain, that part basically works for me, at least on a conceptual level. Clark is a trusted and respected member of the superhero community, and he vouched for her. When Superman says "this is my cousin, she's cool," you aren't going to see many people have a problem with that. And those few who you'd expect to need more than that (Bruce and Diana frex, or those less part of that community, like Grace) were generally the ones who did.

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ashtoreth
2009-08-08 03:02 pm UTC (link)

Supertorso wasn't made with a lot of respect, so I'm going with that.:)

The only handwaving you might do, is that just as many JLA DID know Bruce's identity BACK in the day, they knew Barbara Gordon was Batgirl. Barbara's assault by Joker was public news, so it might've been expected to be occasional gossip. Oracle was the big secret, and one Barbara wouldn't have wanted connected with herself. You'd think she'd have a clinical account of Batgirl's 'retirement'.

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bluefall
2009-08-08 07:24 pm UTC (link)

Barbara's assault by Joker was public news

You can help this along by ignoring the way her tenure in Congress seems to have been soft-retconned out, too. As a public figure, that would have gotten a lot of coverage that she wouldn't get as just "the Commissioner's daughter" (particularly since I'd expect a world toward the ideal end of the scale like the DCU to adhere more closely to journalistic ethics about private citizens). Though it gets complicated when you remember the retroactive alienation of the Bats and the excision of Kara from the timeline; post-Crisis, the circle of people who knew Bruce Wayne was Batman narrowed to, like, Clark, full stop, and of course Babs didn't even have her Super anymore.

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	ashtoreth 2009-08-08 07:34 pm UTC (link)
	My brain hurts trying to make sense of who knows what...I mean, Hal Jordan was like, "oh yah and Tim Drake is Robin" and I'm like, what? Even if Bats and Hal buried the hatchet, that doesn't make sense under that continuity! I can only figure Superboy Prime punched continuity BACK to where everybody knew stuff...:P (Reply to this) (Parent)

	halloweenjack 2009-08-07 08:52 pm UTC (link)
	That Superskank costume fanservice still annoys the living shit out of me. Jeez, DC, just go ahead and do the upskirt shot and get it out of your fucking system. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	lynxara 2009-08-08 03:50 pm UTC (link)
	But they can't! She wears late 90's red bike shorts now! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jkcarrier 2009-08-07 08:58 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, '80s Supergirl...not even George Perez could make that headband look cool. But I love you anyway. :D (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kenn_el 2009-08-07 09:52 pm UTC (link)
	The headband was to that decade what the bellyshirt is to Present-day Kara's. DC should leave fashion trends alone. The anvilicious teaming of Babs and Kara was sad. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	wchero45 2009-08-08 12:35 am UTC (link)
	I think that the "New" Batgirl will actually be Barbara Gordon, but I think she will be retconned to be a little older than Kara. The pages where "Batgirl" and Supergirl, take on Holly & Ivy, could very well be a precurser to the return of friendship of Barbara & Kara. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	mysteryfan 2009-08-08 03:17 pm UTC (link)
	Eek! I really, really hope not. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	wchero45 2009-08-08 07:10 pm UTC (link)
	Eek! I really, really hope not. Eek! I really, realy hope so, (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

mysteryfan
2009-08-08 08:34 pm UTC (link)

I liked Bronze Age BG very much. I don't like that she got retconned out of being that woman and into being a kid post crisis and I don't know why they'd retcon her again. I'd very much prefer that they didn't de-age her again and didn't make her Batgirl, the same way I wouldn't want Dick de-aged and made into Robin. IMO it'd be a step back.

I know everybody doesn't agree with that and I started to say that we'd know in a week and a half but I bet we don't even definitively find out by the end of Batgirl#1.

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psychop_rex
2009-08-08 05:31 am UTC (link)

I REALLY wish that DC would just hurry up and TELL us who the new Batgirl is going to be. I'm sick of them dangling clues (or rather, non-clues) in front of our faces like carrots on a stick. (Personally, I think it's still going to be Cass, but nonetheless, I wish they'd just get it over with.)
Oh, and it never fails to amuse me when Harley whips out one of those impossibly gigantic cartoon mallets. It's like she's got access to the Looney Tunes prop department, or something. (If she does, I can't wait for the day she whips out the portable hole.)

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	mysteryfan 2009-08-08 08:38 pm UTC (link)
	Get this: BG #1 comes out on Aug. 19, and I just read an interview with Bryan Q. Miller and he wouldn't say for sure if we'll find out who Batgirl is going to be even IN Batgirl #1. Thanks, DC! (I hope it's Cass.) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

psychop_rex
2009-08-08 08:50 pm UTC (link)

Oh, honestly - well, at least it's this month. My hope is that if it's NOT Cass, it'll ultimately wind up being a Battle-for-the-Cowl-esque fight between her and the new Batgirl - and she'll get her old job back. I think there's a good chance of this, as DC seems inordinately fond of this type of storyline - they've done it for just about every major character, and a number of the minor ones. Batman's been through it multiple times, so have Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Superboy, I think Supergirl, Nightwing, the Metal Men, etc., etc. It only makes sense that Batgirl will get her turn at it.

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	mysteryfan 2009-08-09 12:31 am UTC (link)
	My hope is that if it's NOT Cass, it'll ultimately wind up being a Battle-for-the-Cowl-esque fight between her and the new Batgirl - and she'll get her old job back. You know what, this gives me hope. You've got a good point there about DC being inordinately fond of that exact storyline. Hmmm. And thanks! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-08-09 12:49 am UTC (link)
	No problem. The very soul of hope, that's me. (Except when I'm not.) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mysteryfan 2009-08-09 01:33 am UTC (link)
	It's hope through publisher preferences and story trends, and that's a really hopeful kind of comics hope. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-08-09 02:46 am UTC (link)
	You have a point. I shall retain perkiness. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lyraeinne 2009-08-08 10:46 am UTC (link)
	Aw, I really do miss that friendship. Even though it had already been retconned out of existence around the time I was born. (Reply to this)

	mysteryfan 2009-08-08 03:16 pm UTC (link)
	Nice to see women as friends in comics. (Reply to this)

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