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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-07-29 17:38:00

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char: t.o. morrow/thomas oscar morrow, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: aaron lopresti, creator: gail simone, publisher: dc comics, title: wonder woman

One page from Wonder Woman #34

T. O. Morrow tells Wonder Woman that Genocide is broken but still alive, and that Dr. Psycho won't quit until he can repair it.

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	sherkahn 2009-07-29 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	As much as I do enjoy these panels on this page (as a way to redeem T.O.Morrow), it has been posted before.... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-07-30 12:50 am UTC (link)
	Where? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-07-30 01:32 am UTC (link)
	it was one of the pages posted in the preview for this issue. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	crinosg 2009-07-29 10:34 pm UTC (link)
	And Dr. Morrow has achieved Woobie status. Whoda thunk it? Also, if I ever get to write a Red Tornado, I am so having a (semi) reformed Red Tornado move in with John and his human family (and find a way to give John's daughter super powers). (Reply to this)

	mullon 2009-07-29 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	I really hope this doesn't lead to her running into the Super Young Team. Dr. Light would be good, but not the Super Young Team. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-07-29 10:44 pm UTC (link)
	No, you're wrong. If there's anyone I trust as much as Grant Morrison with Grant Morrison ideas, it's Gail. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mullon 2009-07-30 03:27 am UTC (link)
	No, you're wrong. If there's anyone I trust less with Grant Morrison ideas than Grant Morrison, it's...well...I guess I don't trust anyone with Grant Morrison ideas as long as their Grant Morrison ideas. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kingrockwell 2009-07-30 02:36 pm UTC (link)
	I'm just gonna say The All New Atom and leave it at that. Give you something to mull on. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mullon 2009-07-30 05:29 pm UTC (link)
	Alright, I'll give you that. And his run on JLA. But unless Gail makes them not a bunch of annoying Japan/anime stereotypes I'm not interested, which is going to be tough since that seems to be their basic character. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-07-30 04:29 pm UTC (link)
	No you're wrong. If there's anyone I less more than trust on Grant Morrison's ideas . . . where was I? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	mullon 2009-07-30 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	You don't trust Grant Morrison with Gail Simone's ideas? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-07-30 10:57 pm UTC (link)
	NO YOU'RE WRONG (Reply to this) (Parent)

ex_stig213
2009-07-29 10:46 pm UTC (link)

For me it's the opposite. The team are amateurishly funny, like the Inferior Five, and interestingly conflicted with their media image, like the pre-CW New Warriors. With Hoshi, I'min the same camp as Jamal Igle; the character is just bland and uninteresting.

Bear in mind that this is my own opinion, but it's one that I think is valid and needs to be expressed. Dr Light II might have a fanbase, but that doesn't mean she's an at all compelling or intriguing character. Plenty of terrible ideas have fanbases. Jason Todd has a fanbase.

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	aaron_bourque 2009-07-29 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	What did I say? WHAT DID I SAY? EVERY MAJOR ARC SHOULD HAVE DIANA CONVERTING AN ENEMY! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (Reply to this) (Thread)

	currer 2009-07-29 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	Deep breaths and take your finger off the shift key. Otherwise, I agree. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	crinosg 2009-07-29 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	Your views intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluefall 2009-07-29 11:02 pm UTC (link)
	Come on, it's TO Morrow. He's always been a waffler anyway, and if you really think this is going to last a month past when Gail stops using him, you haven't been reading comics very long. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-07-30 12:16 am UTC (link)
	Plus he was already kind of veering towards being at least neutral all the way back in 52 with his friendship with Dr Magnus of Metal Man fame. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-07-30 12:19 am UTC (link)
	I remember him being quite pleased when Tomorrow Woman developed free will despite it screwing up something he and Ivo were doing big time. But as soon as he has another idea he'll use it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	superboyprime 2009-07-30 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Superman not treating a villain like a human being? Yeah, I call complete bullshit. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	outlawpoet 2009-07-30 12:26 am UTC (link)
	Also, Magnus has always been cordial with him. Is he not a hero? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yotsuba123 2009-07-30 11:18 am UTC (link)
	I think he thinks of Will as a fellow scientist rather than a put-on-the-tights hero. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	janegray 2009-07-30 02:50 pm UTC (link)
	To be fair, this is from Morrow's pov, shich could easily be biased. Just because Morrow thinks that Supes looks down on him, doesn't make it true. It just means that Wondy is better than Supes at showing her care clearly. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cmdr_zoom 2009-07-30 01:25 am UTC (link)
	I usually love Lopresti's art, but... when this was posted before (with other pages), I couldn't help noticing that Morrow looks as much like Steel as any two Byrne characters. (Reply to this)

	thandrak 2009-07-30 02:11 am UTC (link)
	Morah: Means Female Teacher. (Or fear verging on awe). Generally, a girl's first name. In hebrew. Not familiar with it as a last name. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-07-30 11:36 am UTC (link)
	Well, I know some people whose last name is Moreh, which is an alternate spelling of the same word. They aren't Jewish, interestingly. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thandrak 2009-07-31 11:42 am UTC (link)
	Are they irish? There's irish words that have variant spellings that match. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thandrak 2009-07-30 11:58 am UTC (link)
	From context, he's either Jewish or Polish. Dunno. (It's also a spelling variant of an Irish name.) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	gailsimone 2009-07-30 01:55 pm UTC (link)
	I researched and double-checked with my experts and it is a surname as well. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

thandrak
2009-07-30 05:55 pm UTC (link)

I didn't say it wasn't a last name, just that I wasn't familiar with it. (awwwww. Poochie face icon! Here, have a poochie face. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/LaPucelle/kaylonloom.jpg )
So is he supposed to be Polish or Polish Jewish or Polish Gypsy? I'm _assuming_ Jewish, but I'm not going to assume too strongly till someone says. And I kind of like 'terror verging on awe' as a last name for someone who creates new types of life.

I still think that the whole 'men on Paradise Island / Polly going Babies! Babies! Babies! / closet line in this issue' thing is all a ongoing narrative with something that will have meaning in the end, myself.

... You know, you could actually write a decent comic about the crew and stagehands of an underground fighting ring. Something like Rival Angels (a webcomic) with superpowers. It'd _probably_ have to be a little less lethal, eg people die, it's unfortunate, but not the intended goal type thing.

It really depends on how you play it.

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	gailsimone 2009-07-31 02:37 am UTC (link)
	I'm sorry, I was posting quickly and didn't mean to imply you had said otherwise. Just posting in a hurry, is all! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thandrak 2009-07-31 11:12 am UTC (link)
	No worries. Is that a whippet? (Reply to this) (Parent)

thandrak
2009-07-31 11:41 am UTC (link)

Oh. One critically important thing. When I said "You know, you could actually write a decent comic about the crew and stagehands of an underground fighting ring.", I did not mean you _should_, or that I was referring to you, Gail. I was using the 'you' in the sense of 'one could'.

I'd think you specifically should _not_ write one for DC, at least in the tone I see it, because it would overlap significantly with Secret Six's tone and interactions. Not that you'd do poorly (the opposite, in fact), just that they'd probably wind up being similar. (If you do so, or have done so and it has not been published, I note that I copyleft all claims I have on the concept, god knows it's not new, and have no standing for any stupid 'fangirl claims author stole her idea' complaints. (end boilerplate))

I was just thing about Secret Six and Marvel's version of the fighting ring (Thing comics, the Grapplers: Songbird being a survivor of that plotline.)

I think I'm going to post something to noscansdaily about underground fighting rings and comics and superheroes. It shows up _all over the place_. Soon I Will Be Invincible, the Dog Pound in Blue Beetle, here... I think it's because it gives a chance for interaction before and after fights, and even during fights, because the fight isn't a desperate struggle, but rather a goal in and of itself. The fight scenes themselves can challenge artists in a different way, as they seek to tell a different sort of story.

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	strangething 2009-07-30 03:40 am UTC (link)
	Has Morrow always been this interesting? I first saw him in the Tomorrow Woman story, and thought he was just some mad scientist with a stupid name that got dusted off for a new story. Then there's some more depth and nuance revealed in 52, and now this. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	gailsimone 2009-07-30 01:56 pm UTC (link)
	I always thought he was one of the more complex DC mad scientists, and I think a lot of writers agree. We'll be seeing more of him very soon! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-07-30 04:32 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. For one thing, he's one of the few DC Mad Scientists actually interested in SCIENCE!!!! FOR SCIENCE!!!! Also, he doesn't care about crime and "Evuls" so much as making the best machine he can. At least nowadays. Back when his schtick was "Future Crimes, Today! BEFORE They're Illegal!" he was just as generic as the others. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	strangething 2009-07-31 06:21 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, that's what I thought. Was is the Tomorrow Woman story that introduced this take on the character? Or was it earlier? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fredneil.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Here's a dilemma. I didn't like the WWW and BC scan at all but I like this a lot, to the point where I'm really interested in what happens next. (Reply to this)

	ashtoreth 2009-07-31 05:40 am UTC (link)
	So Morrow's been retconned? Cuz I have the book where he's growing up in the US. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-07-31 10:02 am UTC (link)
	Was it Pre or Post-Crisis? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thandrak 2009-07-31 11:44 am UTC (link)
	Superboy could have punched time, too. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-08-01 01:51 am UTC (link)
	::throws up hands:: It was a JSA annual. I may post it one day. Had crack about Morrow deciding to kill his own parent in order to toughen himself up. (Reply to this) (Parent)