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Tweak says, "This episode was badly written"

superfan1 (superfan1) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-07-15 20:17:00

Entry tags:

char: joker, char: robin/red robin/tim drake, char: supergirl/kara zor-el, creator: michael green, creator: mike johnson, creator: rafael albuquerque

Superman/Batman #62
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	mysteryfan 2009-07-16 01:50 am UTC (link)
	Wait, what? Who are they rescuing? Do we know her or the villain? Alternatively: How different in tone from the diner scene. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	superfan1 2009-07-16 01:52 am UTC (link)
	They are rescuing the employees of Arkham Asylum from the inmates that got loose. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	bluefall 2009-07-16 01:56 am UTC (link)
	Um. "Faster than a speeding bullet" is definitely faster than a mundane with a knife. Which is not even relevant, when you get right down to it, because both are far slower than the speed of light, which is how fast heat vision goes. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	liarashadowsong 2009-07-16 03:08 am UTC (link)
	Dude, yeah. She totally could have heat-visioned the knife, or his hand, even if she wasn't quite fast enough to grab it by hand (which I'm quite convinced she is, BTW), I totally agree. I mean, it makes for a dramatic scene, but it doesn't really make sense given her skill set. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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liarashadowsong, 2009-07-16 05:57 pm UTC

	pyrotwilight 2009-07-16 05:40 am UTC (link)
	Given this kind of is supposed to be back when Kara was all new to Earth I think she's mostly terrified at what she's seeing since it was the most gruesome thing in Arkham in the issue. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-07-16 07:07 am UTC (link)
	Zsasz is the sort of person who would probably NOT drop the red hot knife, but shove the melting metal it into his victims face... Ewww.... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-07-16 07:45 am UTC (link)
	Mang, I'd just gotten over the whole relentless plot fail of Children of Earth... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	toasty_fresh 2009-07-16 02:08 am UTC (link)
	And here I thought this was going to be happy Scooby-Doo-esque funtimes. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	mysteryfan 2009-07-16 02:21 am UTC (link)
	Me too. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jelly_ace 2009-07-16 03:16 am UTC (link)
	You'd think Tim would have a lot of control by now. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sistermagpie 2009-07-16 03:57 am UTC (link)
	Seems like the happy adventure is going to start just as the issue ends. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	scottyquick 2009-07-16 02:51 am UTC (link)
	I wanted fun Scooby-Doo hijinks :( Also, couldn't Kara speedblitz him? She flies to the moon and back. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ninjapeps 2009-07-16 02:23 pm UTC (link)
	she's fully capable, yes, but she was so squicked out over what she saw to process anything else. something to that effect gets mentioned later on. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lieut_kettch 2009-07-16 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	Hell, she could've heat-visioned him from where he was standing. (Reply to this) (Parent)

If the author wanted a "killing is always wrong" shpiel, he picked the wrong villains.

seawolf10
2009-07-16 03:07 am UTC (link)

Zsasz and the Joker are the only two Batman villains for whom the "no killing villains" rule makes absolutely no sense. (Zsasz, for those of you who aren't familiar with him...the whole reason he's in Arkham is that he's a serial killer with a compulsion to carve a new scar onto himself each time he kills someone. Note that he's keeping count in Roman numerals, up to groups of five, after which he starts a new group somewhere else on his body.)

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	Re: If the author wanted a "killing is always wrong" shpiel, he picked the wrong villains. filthysize.livejournal.com 2009-07-16 03:14 am UTC (link)
	Huh? Why? Isn't the point of the rule is that even the worst of the worst (ie Joker and Zsasz) don't deserve to be killed? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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Re: If the author wanted a "killing is always wrong" shpiel, he picked the wrong villains. - (Anonymous), 2009-07-16 03:44 am UTC

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	Re: If the author wanted a "killing is always wrong" shpiel, he picked the wrong villains. cowtasticism 2009-07-16 04:51 am UTC (link)
	I feel that killing the Joker or Zsasz to protect this innocent would be no different than Poison Ivy killing to protect her plants. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	Re: If the author wanted a "killing is always wrong" shpiel, he picked the wrong villains. lady_mondegreen 2009-07-16 05:31 am UTC (link)
	I agree with you. Because of ethics, the villains are allowed to live on and destroy more innocent lives. I don't understand how it can be about "valuing life" if taking one wicked life would save countless more innocent ones. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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kitty_tc_69
2009-07-16 05:43 am UTC (link)

I don't care what excuses are given, the Joker gets out and kills again, time after time after time. It's his pattern. No matter if he might be redeemable, no matter if he's not legally responsible for his actions, not killing him directly results in more innocent deaths. The only responsible thing to do is put him down like the rabid dog he is. And failing to do so while knowing what the result of inaction is renders one partially culpable for those deaths unprevented.

In failing to end the Joker's murder spree once and for all, he's responsible for the deaths he willfully chose not to prevent. There's no moral justification for that.

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blunderbuss
2009-07-16 05:34 pm UTC (link)

It might have made sense if this was the first time the Joker/Zsasz had committed such a heinous crime and this was an ultimate test of Supergirl's/Robin's moral character. But thanks to Joker Immunity stretching beyond belief it's just another day of Joker Does Something Horrible But Heroes Won't Kill Him So He Can Escape Again Another Issue.

That's the inherit problem with dragging out a villain for so long - the entire situation becomes so ludicrous that instead of the villain seeming noble for not giving in to their rage, they just look incompetent and hypocritical. It's not just Joker or Zsasz - it's any nasty villain with implausible immortality, period.

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	perletwo 2009-07-16 05:09 am UTC (link)
	OHHHHHH I so very very very much love the way Rafael A. draws Supergirl. Wish that'd happen more often. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	seriousfic 2009-07-16 07:02 am UTC (link)
	Bleed, you sick--! Beating someone to death in a moment of rage? Okay. Saying a bad word? NOT. ON. Kooky discipline Robin has there. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	jupiterrhode 2009-07-17 12:16 am UTC (link)
	And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Wonder Woman is the only hero in the DCU that I can take seriously. (Reply to this)

thebat_man
2009-07-23 01:05 pm UTC (link)

Where's the fun in this? This is just depressing. The tone is very negative. I hate how Michael Green and Mike Johnson try to make Supergirl and Robin grim and gritty. They are two characters who were created to be upbeat and positive, they ain't Batman. Robin's suppose to be smiling, laughing and wisecracking as he beats up villains. Batman is the grim one, not Robin. Frank Miller himself and Jim Lee understand that.

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jelly_ace, 2009-09-18 05:27 am UTC

A quaman and Wonder Woman

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