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richardak ([info]richardak) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-21 01:25:00

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Entry tags:char: alfred pennyworth, char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: huntress/helena bertinelli, char: nino angelo, char: omerta, char: stephen mandragora, creator: cliff richards, creator: ivory madison, publisher: dc comics, title: huntress year one

Huntress uses stealth on others besides Batman
In response to a previous post of mine, [info]runespoor7  commented that there would be less resistance to the idea that Huntress can out-stealth Batman if Huntress were more frequently depicted as using stealth in general; I replied that there were such examples, and that I would post some. Here are a few from Huntress: Year One:

In these first few scans, she is breaking into a mafia compound in Sicily to assassinate Stephen Mandragora, the boss who ordered the murder of her family.

Note that in the first shot, the window is closed.  She is able to open it from the outside and sneak in without alerting him until she decides to announce her presence deliberately.

Not well for him, unsurprisingly.

"More painful"? Yikes, she's already impaled him through both palmar radial nerves! It doesn't get much more painful than that. Anyway, as anyone who has ever talked shop with a special operations soldier knows, getting in is the easy part. Getting back out again, that's the real trick. She manages pretty well though:


Anyway, she subsequently returns to Gotham on the trail of the hitman Omerta who actually pulled the trigger on her family. At the same time, Bruce Wayne has invited Nino Angelo, the head of the Angelo crime family, to hold the reception for his son's wedding to the daughter of Gotham's mayor at Wayne Manor, on the theory that this will give Bruce a chance to gather intel on the Gotham mob and on Angelo in particular. Huntress decides to crash the party in the hopes of finding a clue to Omerta's whereabouts:


Considering that Wayne Manor was being guarded not only by Bruce's people, but also by Angelo's men and the Gotham police department, since the mayor and his family were also in attendance, of course, this is a neat trick. Possibly neater than spying on Bruce's conversation with Don Angelo:

Obviously, this conversation turned out to be less private than Bruce anticipated. Nevertheless, I am not sure whether to code this as a complete success for Huntress in out-stealthing Batman, even though she was able to spy on a private meeting of his. After all, in his Bruce Wayne guise, he can hardly display all the skills he actually possesses, especially not in front of a Gotham mob boss. He very clearly throws the fight he subsequently has with her (you can see the first punch in the following scan), so it's not unreasonable to think that he might have noticed her, but doesn't want Angelo to know that. On the other hand, Bruce has plenty of reason not to want an unknown intruder to overhear this conversation, and you could reasonably assume that Angelo wouldn't know just how skilled Bruce would have had to have been to detect the Huntress. Again, though, it's at least as much the fact that she was able to penetrate all of the security at this party in the first place that's really impressive.

After leaving stately Wayne Manor, she decides to break into the Angelo family compound and confront Nino again. She once again is able to penetrate a mafiusi's compound and face him in his sanctum sanctorum. She's not the only one, mind you, and she gets a shot, literally, at Omerta.

She misses though, and after a(nother) confrontation with Batman and Catwoman, she decides to break into the mayor's office to discover what his involvement is. Breaking into the city hall of a major urban center is generally pretty difficult.

I strongly disliked this plot, to be honest. I thought there were several things bad about it, not least of which is that it is incredible: city devastated by unforeseen terrorist attack by foreign enemy, already highly successful mayor rallies people becomes national hero, is one thing. City devastated by flood because levees were improperly maintained and some old explosives were supposedly never properly removed by authorities, mayor probably does not become national hero.
But at least the art was much better than what appeared in Huntress' solo ongoing series from the late eighties. Also, I vastly prefer this costume to any of her others. Anyway, if people want, I would be willing to post scans from other sources showing Huntress relying on stealth.


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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-06-21 01:39 am UTC (link)
So...wait. She stealthily gets into Madragora's place. Then gives him info that she's the daughter of the Bertinelli's then let's Madragora live and nothing bad happens to her? Wouldn't she be like sniped by him later for a stunt like that?

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[info]kingrockwell
2009-06-21 01:50 am UTC (link)
He looks pretty dead in the scan where she sneaks out.

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[info]richardak
2009-06-21 01:54 am UTC (link)
Pretty dead? He won't be getting any deader.

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[info]shadowvalkyrie
2009-06-21 03:28 am UTC (link)
Sexy, practical costume is sexy and practical.

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[info]tahngarth
2009-06-21 05:00 am UTC (link)
Right, we're not having any of that. Bring in the bikini suit!

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[info]lieut_kettch
2009-06-21 05:21 am UTC (link)
I prefer to call it the "gut-shoot and kneecap me" suit.

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[info]tahngarth
2009-06-21 05:24 am UTC (link)
Huntress has GUTS OF STEEL!

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[info]toasty_fresh
2009-06-21 11:28 am UTC (link)
The only thing I don't like about it is the little triangle-thingies sticking up out of her hair. I mean, is she really that desperate to cast shadows that make her look like Batman?

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[info]salamangkiero
2009-06-25 03:22 am UTC (link)
given her original origins...it may have been the case.

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[info]killermoth1
2009-06-21 05:36 am UTC (link)
Pretty neat art here, even if the story got muddled by the end. Huntress is a great character who I could understand being really hard to write.

Indicentally and totally off-topic, someone create a Brave and the Bold topic fast about the latest episode, I'm busting my guts here trying to hold in my happiness with it.

But, erm....Huntress....yes...That person.

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[info]chengar
2009-06-21 06:32 am UTC (link)
Nice post, and it definately does a good job of showing that when she wants to Huntress can be pretty sneaky.

As for Huntress: Year One in general, it's a work that definately has some good points and some bad points. The overall plot could be a lot better and some of the other characters aren't handled all that well. However it does a very good job at doing the one thing any Year One story must do; it establishes Huntress' identity, backstory, and motivations.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-21 11:42 am UTC (link)
Something I'm still not sure of in the current timeframe: does Huntress know Batman's secret identity? (And by extension Dick and Tim's?)

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[info]bluejaybirdie
2009-06-21 02:13 pm UTC (link)
She worked with Oracle in the BOP, so....yeah, I'd guess that she knows.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-21 02:15 pm UTC (link)
I know, but I can't see Babs revealing Batman's ID to anyone without his knowledge/permission.

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[info]bluejaybirdie
2009-06-21 05:57 pm UTC (link)
I can't see Babs actually telling Helena...but Hel's smart, and I'll bet she could put together the pieces, between her involvement with Babs and fling with Dick.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-21 07:36 pm UTC (link)
True enough.

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[info]chengar
2009-06-21 02:23 pm UTC (link)
I'm 99.99% sure she knows Dick's ID thanks to working with the BoP (if she didn't before due to their history). That would mean she almost certainly knows the rest of them.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-21 02:38 pm UTC (link)
She's seen Dick's face without the mask, but he made sure to not tell her his real name when they were together. It's possible she figured it out herself, but I don't know if there's ever been any acknowledgement that she does know.

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[info]chengar
2009-06-21 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, their brief fling is enough to make it possible she knows his ID, but there's no certainty. It's events in BoP that pretty much clench that she knows his Nightwing's ID, considering the fact that he shows up out of costume in #86 and he's called "Dick" and "Grayson" several times while Helena's in the room.

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[info]parsimonia
2009-06-21 04:36 pm UTC (link)
Ahhh, okay. Gotcha. Forgot about that.

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[info]unknownscribler
2009-06-24 03:55 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm inclined to accept anything this particular series has to say on the matter given the self-important/aggrandising conclusion that desperately attempts to ignore any and all of the father issues the character's had with Batman and at times comes close to having him job to the writer's pet character.

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[info]richardak
2009-06-24 04:57 am UTC (link)
The conclusion was terrible; I can't argue with that. It makes absolutely no sense for her to leave Omerta alive, especially with him knowing her secret identity, nor does it make any sense for her not to kill that other mafiusu who knows who she really is. At the same time, I frankly detested the idea of having Sal turn out to be alive, and having repented of his life as a hired assassin, and having only ever done one job as an assassin. Ugh.

I'm not sure I'd agree that it's problems are that it self-important or aggrandizing; Huntress is the star of the series, after all. I also don't agree that Batman was jobbing to her in that conclusion, or comes close to it. What makes you say that?

Huntress' father issues with Batman have varied tremendously from writer to writer; Cavalieri, who invented the post-Crisis Huntress, didn't put that into the character at all. Greyson wrote her as being so desperate for his approval and for acceptance as part of the Bat-family that, well....Rucka, who rewrote her origin (and vastly improved it) in Cry for Blood makes allusion to the idea but also has her explicitly reject it, so you can look at that either way. Simone interestingly wrote Dinah as acting as though Batman's approval mattered a great deal to Huntress, but did not, so far as I can recall, write Huntress that way so much; again, you can take that multiple ways: maybe Dinah understood her really well, or maybe not. The ending to this mini does not, in my view, ignore this issue at all; I think it actually overemphasizes it. Her whole speech to Batman and Catwoman at the end would have made much more sense coming from the pre-Crisis Huntress, talking directly to both her actual parents, than it did in this case going to two people she hardly knows.

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