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sigma7 (sigma7) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-15 11:38:00

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char: captain america/steve rogers, char: sally floyd, event: civil war, nsfw: language, publisher: marvel comics

One Less-Than-Perfect Moment: Sally Floyd, Civil War: Frontline
Maybe this isn't fair to her or her fans, but like it or not, this is the moment for which Sally Floyd's been most remembered: she's in serious need of character redemption or getting the Latveria beat. I'd been toying with posting this all weekend, even before...you know. Stuff.

Scan not mine -- found at the Fortress of Fortitude.

The Democratic response, as it were, by MightyGodKing:

My first post in the new haunts, but circumstances demanded it. Couldn't find it posted in the new digs yet, though I fear it's fresh in most of our minds.

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halloweenjack
2009-06-15 12:21 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, I loved MGK's remix of this. About the best thing I can say about Floyd is that she comes across as the epitome of a dry drunk, with all the finger pointing. I remember reading this at the time of publication and hoping that Ben Urich was really an LMD, and that he was recording a video that would end up on YouTube after Cap's death. Speaking of which, was there ever anything about Sally's reaction to Steve getting shot?

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tavella
2009-06-15 12:48 pm UTC (link)

Oh, god, yes, the stupidest thing in the extraordinarily stupid (and insulting) ending to Civil War. My quote at the time: "And then this is followed up by Frontline #11, which is practically a Bushista fantasia where the liberal reporter is converted by Tony Stark's manly daring into a swooning worshipper, and where Steve Rogers, faced with her brilliant wit and righteous indignation, can only come up with a feeble NRA-cliche defense of himself. A man whose character has been practically defined by his quiet eloquence on the subject of liberty; a man who has just been through a war against people that imprisoned children without trial, created mind-controlled slaves from the flesh of friends, and pressganged friends for the sin of having superpowers."

And this is my favorite Motivator, from back when they were promoing Frontline Hulk and we were supposed to feel *bad* for ol' Sally.

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batcookies
2009-06-15 01:14 pm UTC (link)

Good Grief, the MightyGodKing remix is as badly written as the original. The word balloons indicate Captain America is talking, but the actual dialog is just fanboy blather, not anything he would actually say. Writing a character as the mouthpiece for your views (without even bothering to make the dialog match their personality) while another character with opposing views sits there and "takes it" like an idiot? Not good writing either way.

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	thanekos 2009-06-15 01:21 pm UTC (link)
	to be fair, I think that comes from a shooped set of scans where Tony Stark loves genital electrocution, Hank Pym takes DON'T BEAT YOUR WIFE pills, and Hercules wanted to rape Ragnarok. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kitty_tc_69 2009-06-15 01:51 pm UTC (link)
	It's called parody. It's not meant to be fanfic, it's meant to satire and deconstruct the perceived ridiculousness of the original. The over the top nature of the dialogue is intentional. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	batcookies 2009-06-15 02:02 pm UTC (link)
	Except it's not funny, and it doesn't come off as parody. It comes off as a fanboy rant with Captain America mouthing the words. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kitty_tc_69 2009-06-15 02:09 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know what to tell you then, as many others found it to be both spot-on and hilarious. I being one of them. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	tavella 2009-06-15 02:27 pm UTC (link)
	Me too! And it was at least somewhat closer to Cap's historical personality than cringing silently and ashamed while Sally blathered on about MySpace. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	brandiweed.livejournal.com 2009-06-15 03:47 pm UTC (link)
	Yes, but what are your opinions on yaoi? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	erlgirl_9 2009-06-15 07:22 pm UTC (link)
	This is relevant to my interests. Please, good sir/madam, do continue... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-06-15 05:13 pm UTC (link)
	it's what the original situation deserved. Cap wouldn't swear and he would directly call her dumb, but I think the just of the conversation if Cap was written properly is there. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	greenmask 2009-06-15 01:44 pm UTC (link)
	But was Ms Floyd given that pucker-pout fish-slapped don't-take-me-seriously myspace classic expression on purpose? Happy accident? (Reply to this)

starwolf_oakley
2009-06-15 02:17 pm UTC (link)

During CIVIL WAR, it was hard to tell exactly what the Registration Act was supposed to be, and why Cap and Co. were so against it. Spider-Man didn't like people imprisoned in the Negative Zone for the rest of their lives, while Luke Cage didn't want to answer to The Man. Plus there was a "forced conscription" part that a few characters discovered.

It's happened before. Many Star Trek writers and fans from the various shows don't fully understand what the Prime Directive is supposed to be.

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	halloweenjack 2009-06-15 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	The previous attempt at passing the SRA in Earth-616 was posted in the old S_D... don't suppose that anyone still has those scans? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-06-15 09:33 pm UTC (link)
	The thing that always annoys me most about the whole Civil War/Registration Act was the huge number of foreign nationals forced to register or sent to the negative zone despite not having to register, and the fact that no-one was objecting to it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	tavella 2009-06-16 12:44 pm UTC (link)
	Including some that were just trying to leave the country, like Silverclaw. (Reply to this) (Parent)

moneyless_jew
2009-06-15 02:32 pm UTC (link)

This made me so incredibly angry at the time, and still does.

Civil War as concept was wonderful. Much of what it wrought has been interesting material, and I wouldn't take it back. But a lot of that came about after the fact, or from ancillary material. The single mini by Millar was very lazily done, clearly his piss-take on what America had become. For those of us living in it, we (or at least, I) didn't find it fucking funny when he then did the rounds of Internet press insisting that no, no, this is a good thing, I really meant this as a happy ending, what are you talking about, hee hee ho ho. I admire a lot of his work, but that still pisses me off. And then you had Marvel editorial which apparently didn't get the joke, or didn't want to get it, going around backing up his line as much as possible.

The truth is, I don't think Joe and company really knew what to do or how to approach the conclusion, either. They let each different writer tackle a different angle on the story, and the result was a series of discordant books and characterizations, plot twists, etc. Who accounted for JMS writing about Stark's military contracts in ASM? No one, he just came off with that Blackwater parallel and no one else ever dealt with it because the right hand didn't know what the left was doing. JMS and Bendis canonized Cap, while Joe Q and Brevoort ran around Didio-like, retconning scenes before they hit the stands, saying things like, "oh, uh, Tony doesn't actually have anything to do with the Negative Zone or the Thunderbolts" when Millar SHOWS US Tony helping to build all of that. They let Mark Millar do whatever he wanted with a concept, let everyone else do whatever they wanted in response, without considering the long-term effects on the brand names. Say what you will about Jim Shooter, but he would have scrutinized the fuck out of every issue, every tie-in, and made sure it all made sense and that there was a consistent portrayal of every character and institution.

This isn't even to say that I think Joe Quesada has been a bad EIC, or that I don't like Mark Millar or creative freedom. I've loved a lot of Millar, and I think for better or worse, excesses and all, Quesada's probably been the best since Shooter. But they fucked up bad during this crossover, and it eventually led to shit like this from Paul fucking "I made the Merged Hulk an alter" Jenkins. I was completely unsurprised when Secret Invasion: Frontline rolled around and Marvel quickly shoved Sally under a carpet.

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	proteus_lives 2009-06-15 05:19 pm UTC (link)
	Love the remix. God, Sally Floyd will never stop needing a smack in the mouth. (Reply to this)

	fashi0n_mistake 2009-06-15 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	It's amazing how much Frontline still incites so much rage in me, even though it's two years later at this point. Seriously though, I have never hated a comic character as much as I hate Sally Floyd. That's how badly this whole thing pissed me off. (Reply to this)