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claudie (flirting with modernism) ([info]lipsofpoison) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-14 15:32:00

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Entry tags:char: robin/red hood/jason todd, creator: keith champagne, creator: peter j. tomasi, publisher: dc comics, series: one perfect moment week

One Perfect Moment: Nightwing!Jason.
From 52 - World War III Part One: A Call to Arms, this is possibly the best insight into Jason's tenure as Nightwing. Violent, insightful but still maniacal.






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[info]grazzt
2009-06-14 10:04 am UTC (link)
Is it just me, or was that last panel a shout out to Joker lifting the crowbar to bludgeon Jason to death?

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 10:05 am UTC (link)
I think there's been a lot of those.

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[info]daggerpen
2009-06-14 11:26 am UTC (link)
Motto.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-06-14 10:09 am UTC (link)
But still doesn't go any way to explaining why he'd opt to become Nightwing in the first place, still less with Dick's signature weapons.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 10:10 am UTC (link)
I think it does, to a degree. I got the vibe of 'well, someone had to do it' from this, because they'd 'abandoned' the roles.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-06-14 10:15 am UTC (link)
Pre Nightwing: Year One, when Bruce wanted to give Jason a compliment he told him how like Dick he was. Plus all the meta on replacements and graduations, and Jason taking Nighwting's identity because he's taking responsibility for what's happening, thus making him the good son, makes sense in Jason logic.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 10:16 am UTC (link)
You said it much better than I did. Especially if he thinks Dick has moved on, then natural progression would seem natural.

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-14 10:27 am UTC (link)
Obsession with proving he can be the Bat son--a better one since the first one "abandoned" the quest? It almost seems to say something that it begs the question of why he doesn't be Batman instead since the cruise and cave were his ideas.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 10:28 am UTC (link)
Does Jason know it was Bruce's idea? I'd think bonding as a family, most people would think it was Dick's idea.

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-14 10:43 am UTC (link)
I didn't see how he could, but since he makes a reference to a cruise and a cave I figure he must. I suppose the cruise might have been public record, at least, that Bruce left with Dick and Tim?

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 10:45 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that's what I thought so maybe he thought it was Dick abandoning Nightwing, as he's done about 3 times before?

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-14 10:47 am UTC (link)
Heh. Dick's got identity issues with Nightwing going back and forth; Jason keeps taking up different identities.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 10:49 am UTC (link)
They all have identity ADD. Just look at Tim in Red Robin.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-06-14 10:59 am UTC (link)
It breaks my brain to look at Tim through Jason-tinted meta glasses.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 11:00 am UTC (link)
It's like Tim is going all DCAU on me or something.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-06-14 11:22 am UTC (link)
When does Jason miss an opportunity to blame Bruce? Jason basically thinks Bruce can do anything. He refused to think that Tim might have successfully stalked Batman, obviously Bruce knew and manipulated him, partly because he couldn't admit that Tim might be genuinely better than he himself was (thus justifying his fear that he wasn't good enough to be Robin).

Here he wouldn't bear thinking that Dick might've convinced Bruce to let go of the mission to spend time with family, when his attempt to get Bruce to make the mission less important than Jason ended in exploding buildings and Batman saving Joker's life.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 11:26 am UTC (link)
That's also an excellent point.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-06-14 10:30 am UTC (link)
Because until Bruce dies, Jason doesn't want to be Batman, he wants Batman's attention. He's competing with Dick and Tim for Bruce's attention, but Batman's identity is out of bounds.

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-14 10:45 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I think that's it--I just wonder if *Jason* knows that's it. Like all the Bat-sons he really does identify as a Bat *son* who focuses on getting Dad's attention/approval. Besides, he probably thinks he has to prove himself the best son before he could be the heir to Batman.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 10:46 am UTC (link)
Besides, he probably thinks he has to prove himself the best son before he could be the heir to Batman.

Totally, the worthy successor.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-06-14 10:57 am UTC (link)
Yeah, but he's the one the most willing to take on the suit. He's been telling Bruce since Under the Hood that he's going to be Batman as he should be. And there's a scene somewhere (somewhen, I can't even remember if it was written post Jason's resurrection or not) where Bruce scolds him, along the lines of "If you want to be like me--" and Jason replies "precisely my life's goal".

I tend to think it's because he's written as having a personality more shaped by the time he became Robin. On the one hand he owes Bruce everything and the Robin he was was more Batman's than either Dick's or Tim's, on the other he already had a heavy history.

I have my doubts about Jason's self-awareness beyond "BRUCE DIDN'T LOVE ME".

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-14 11:03 am UTC (link)
Bruce scolds him, along the lines of "If you want to be like me--" and Jason replies "precisely my life's goal".

ROTFL! That made me laugh. Go Jason. I love the way all the Robins are obsessed with getting Bruce's approval but all fear actually becoming him. Deep down they can all see he's crazy.

I have my doubts about Jason's self-awareness beyond "BRUCE DIDN'T LOVE ME".

Yeah, that can cover a lot. But I sympathize. I love looking at exactly what Bruce gave the different Robins--as you say, Jason owes Bruce everything in a way the others don't. It's just different with all of them.

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[info]mysteryfan
2009-06-14 11:54 am UTC (link)
I love the way all the Robins are obsessed with getting Bruce's approval but all fear actually becoming him. Deep down they can all see he's crazy.

THIS. Oh, Batfamily.

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[info]mysteryfan
2009-06-14 11:52 am UTC (link)
"If you want to be like me--" and Jason replies "precisely my life's goal"

Okay, that's awesome.

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[info]runespoor7
2009-06-14 11:02 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one freaked out that the Robin bangs that came to become Jason's distinctive haircut are not there? It's serious dissonance, people.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 11:03 am UTC (link)
I was like 'whoa, curls' when I first saw it.

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[info]daggerpen
2009-06-14 11:37 am UTC (link)
Great Jason moment, but- seriously, what is with his hair?

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 11:38 am UTC (link)
He's curling it now. It was actually curly at one point when he was Robin so maybe that's why?Idk.

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[info]daggerpen
2009-06-14 11:39 am UTC (link)
Maybe...

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[info]mysteryfan
2009-06-14 11:54 am UTC (link)
Excellent moment.

I love Tomasi's writing. Very much enjoy seeing Jason like this.

And I know it's wrong, because... it cannot be, but this just makes me wish even harder for Jason in his own book, being angry, going off on a finding Bruce/finding himself quest and Tim and Dick together right now.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 12:00 pm UTC (link)
What's wrong about that? I want Jay to have his own book too! I just want him to do what Ti'm's doing and find himself.

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[info]mysteryfan
2009-06-14 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I mean that it feels useless to want that as it's not happening any time soon and is quite different from what we're getting.

And yet, I would think there'd be a built-in market for something like that.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 12:12 pm UTC (link)
I know what you mean. If only, right?

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[info]mysteryfan
2009-06-14 12:16 pm UTC (link)
Yes.

Hey, what about the Robins and other heroes you already have, DC?

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[info]sistermagpie
2009-06-14 01:13 pm UTC (link)
They could at least try some specials of the three boys off having to work together.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 01:19 pm UTC (link)
If they did that, I'd die of quee. Every time I see Jason get that kick, I get the giggles.

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[info]queen_marshed
2009-06-14 01:04 pm UTC (link)
He seems so jolly about beating those guys to death...

Which is pretty awesome, if unsettling. But I guess that's how Jay rolls.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 01:19 pm UTC (link)
To quote, he's happiest when he's righting wrongs. For him, that involves beating guys to death!

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[info]ladymirth
2009-06-14 01:11 pm UTC (link)
Why don't I own this issue, already?!

Never stop being awesome, Tomasi!

Jason Todd: blow dries his hair before kicking ass.

I wonder that the reference to that guy's kids doesn't even make him miss a beat though. Wasn't his father a hood who got killed working for Two-Face? Or am I thinking only of Batman Beyond here? Jason must know he's killing some kid's Dad.

Also, I know you've got identity issues, but STOP STEALING COSTUMES, JASON! It's your most annoying habit by far.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 01:16 pm UTC (link)
I don't know, cause it's awesome. I love Tomasi.

Nope, you're bang on, but Jason seemed to repress that pretty damn quick after trying to kill Two-Face for it. Then of course, he was betrayed by his mother and his 'daddy' in Bruce so maybe he's just not happy with parents at the moment.

Jason needs to find his own identity like WHOA.

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[info]mari_redstar
2009-06-14 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Or at least go for a little variety and steal Batgirl's next! Or Huntress's. The one with the hotpants. Now that will distract the criminals.

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[info]lipsofpoison
2009-06-14 02:54 pm UTC (link)
A part of me wanted Tim to take Damians advice and be Batgirl. Jason can be Spoiler.

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[info]ladymirth
2009-06-14 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Now that would be an example of Jim Lee's "creativity" put to good use.

If he's gunning to be Batgirl next, he should totally steal Babs' old costume with the yellow stilettoe boots.

Falsies and lipstick are, of course, mandatory.

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[info]chengar
2009-06-14 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Well, DC is trying to build up a lot of anticipation before they reveal who will be the next Batgirl...

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[info]goblinthebamf
2009-06-23 11:45 pm UTC (link)
:D yesplz

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