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colonel_green (colonel_green) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-26 19:33:00

Entry tags:

char: daredevil/matt murdock, char: foggy nelson, char: kingpin/wilson fisk, char: master izo, creator: ed brubaker, creator: michael lark

Moar misery for Matt!

Four scans from Daredevil #118, in which progressively more characters have had it with Daredevil.

Previously, Matt accepted the Kingpin's proposed alliance to defeat the Hand, which, at least for Fisk, seems like a suicide mission. Master Izo, Daredevil's wacky blind K'un-L'un centenarian ally (he was Stick's sensei, apparently), doesn't think this is a good idea.

Later, Matt returns home to find that Foggy has dropped by, and he isn't happy, since Matt hasn't shown up for work in a while, and the Kingpin left Matt voicemail:

I really liked that scene; Foggy, really, generally has a pretty sucky life because he's friends with Matt, but he rarely ever seems to note this.

Also, Kingpin is hallucinating his dead wife Vanessa:

The interrupting voice is Turk, perennial buttmonkey of the Daredevil mythos; Kingpin proceeds to throttle him.

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	cyberghostface 2009-04-26 05:45 pm UTC (link)
	Can you please not make (however vague) references to what happens before the cut with new issues? (Reply to this)

	kagome654 2009-04-26 05:52 pm UTC (link)
	Oh dear, oh dear...it does suck to be Matt Murdock...and much of it is self inflicted. Though I did have a good hearty laugh at 'the whiniest superhero I've ever met.' He may be morose and angsty about 85% of the time, but I'd still rather hang with him than Spidey. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	buttler 2009-04-26 07:37 pm UTC (link)
	Master Izo has clearly never met Cyclops. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kagome654 2009-04-26 08:20 pm UTC (link)
	Point! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-04-26 09:04 pm UTC (link)
	Pity party for three! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	darklorelei 2009-04-26 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	I was hoping you'd use that icon! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arilou_skiff 2009-04-27 12:53 am UTC (link)
	Depends what you mean I guess. Daredevil WHINES more, but he's got more cause for it than most. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kagome654 2009-04-27 07:26 am UTC (link)
	True, but I'd be inclined to feel more sympathy for Matt if he didn't have the tendency to exasperate his own misery. But at the end of the day I just can't stand anything Spidey says or does anymore, so there's that... (Reply to this) (Parent)

icon_uk
2009-04-26 05:54 pm UTC (link)

I have to say I DID like Matt's reaction to Foggy's news. There he is all prepared to do the "Aren't I being brave and decent" martyr complex thing and resign and Foggy denies him even THAT with a "No, I'm just sick to the back teeth with the unbelievable quantities of shit you have blithely brought down on anyone who ever met you, you are out on your arse because I SAY YOU ARE!"

Good for you Foggy!

(Sorry, just got done watching "Blood Ties" and by the end was so sick of the heroines selfishness and self righteousness causing chaos with everyone's lives, and notably the decent, honest cop who lost his career because of her refusing to back off when he asked. So martyr complex heroic gestures are very much irritating to me right at the moment)

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	scottyquick 2009-04-26 06:27 pm UTC (link)
	I'm disliking Master Izo, but love that scene with Matt/Foggy. Look Matt! MARTYRDOM IS BAD! Matt/Foggy forever. Seriously, who else actually calls Matt out on his bullshit, and makes him do better? (Reply to this)

	tpsreports 2009-04-26 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	Since when is Foggy, Bruce McGill. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	foxhack 2009-04-26 09:50 pm UTC (link)
	Lawyer by day, detective by night. Foggy is... MIKE HAMMER! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-04-26 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	Anyone could have predicted that teaming up with Fisk would bite Daredevil in the ass. But I didn't expect it to be this quick. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-04-26 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	To be fair, how long COULD they stretch out any notion that this WASN'T a truly, spectacularly bad idea for Matt? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

ashtoreth
2009-04-26 09:08 pm UTC (link)

I actually thought it kind of made sense, when Matt explains it. Lady B was trying to get Kingsy after Matt for the umpteenth time, so they preempt her.

However, Fisk is a bad person and he mostly works with bad people. When Matt and him teamed up to escape prison, Fisk tried to release Bullseye. Now that they're working together again, he does something similar. And the cop who was killed as a result? Matt's gonna freak.

Still think that Lady B and Master Izo are trying to trick Matt though..

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starwolf_oakley
2009-04-26 07:47 pm UTC (link)

I looked through a reprint of the very first Daredevil issue, and Foggy was in the audience with Matt during Jack Murdock's final fight. It also had Foggy and Matt going right from college into their own law practice, but let's ignore that part.

This "dude-vorce" is a big deal, as Matt and Foggy are practically brothers. If there is another DD movie or an animated series, Foggy's family should take Matt in when his father dies. Matt and Foggy going from friends to foster brothers makes their relationship even deeper.

Has the Kingpin ever done anything to Foggy? I know the Kingpin sent Elektra after Foggy in DD #181, but Foggy doesn't know that. IIRC, Elektra showed up and then let Foggy go, with her big Bullseye fight right after that.

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	colonel_green 2009-04-26 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	Not in the issues I've read (they came face-to-face in the classic "Guts", of course). (Reply to this) (Parent)

kingrockwell
2009-04-26 08:23 pm UTC (link)

He's also sent a madman in a Daredevil costume to kill him, got his practice shut down, and hired a crazy super-commando who almost killed Foggy's girlfriend. Foggy also worked for one of his dummy corps once and caught on that it wasn't on the up-and-up, so he'd have seen some of Kingpin's corruption from the inside, especially if they made him defend any of the guy's men. I'm sure there're other things on down the line, but all of this was just in one book.

If you haven't read Born Again I cannot recommend it enough.

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	kagome654 2009-04-26 08:44 pm UTC (link)
	Seconding that recommendation! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-04-26 09:01 pm UTC (link)
	"Born Again" is definitely worth reading (though, in my opinion, it kind of loses its way a bit when Nuke shows up). (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thehefner.livejournal.com 2009-04-27 12:08 pm UTC (link)
	Agreed. And even still, BORN AGAIN is one of my all-time, top three favorite graphic novels. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	foxhack 2009-04-26 09:54 pm UTC (link)
	I think the story's been retconned more than once. Matt's already a young adult and in college when his father gets murdered -- but I remember it differently, Matt was a kid when that happened. But yeah, Matt and Foggy have been friends for well over ten years Marvel time by now. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	statham1986 2009-04-27 08:30 am UTC (link)
	Given Fisk sold the information about Matt to the villain of the piece, you could argue that Fisk is responsible for the hell that Foggy goes through in 'Guardian Devil', I guess. (Reply to this) (Parent)

hyperactivator
2009-04-26 09:08 pm UTC (link)

Anyone else think that Lady Bullseye's plan is to make Matt punish himself?

Sort of like the old Foxtrot strips where Jason's model was destroyed by Peter and Jason swore revenge in the next 12 hours scareing Peter to the point where he hid outside all night under the bushes on a pile of dog poo eating twigs for supper only to confront Jason the next morning and finding that he hadn't escaped punishment at all.

I get the feeling that just when Matt thinks he's won Lady Bullseye will list off all the things that Matts lost in his victory and laugh in his face.

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	colonel_green 2009-04-26 09:12 pm UTC (link)
	I assume she and the Hand were expecting DD and Fisk to ally themselves (I can't imagine they expected that Fisk would just blindly start a war with Daredevil on her say-so), though how this is all going to play out I'm not sure. (Reply to this) (Parent)

ashtoreth
2009-04-26 09:12 pm UTC (link)

But she doesn't care about him emotionally. That's not her motive. So she wouldn't hurt him just to hurt him.

She's after a leader for the Hand, so she says. Perhaps she's separating Matt from his straight and narrow life, so that it makes sense for him to lead the Hand--to prevent them from doing evil. Elektra had similar thoughts when she first joined. Or maybe it's a roundabout way of getting Wilson Fisk to lead the Hand. ::shrug::

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	colonel_green 2009-04-26 09:18 pm UTC (link)
	At the end of #115 she said that the Hand doesn't take no for an answer, so I assume that Matt as the ninja-boss is still in the cards. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-04-26 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	But she might be lying. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	cainofdreaming 2009-04-27 01:06 am UTC (link)
	Anyone else think that Lady Bullseye's plan is to make Matt punish himself? And for her next trick she'll make fish swim and turn the pope Catholic. I mean, it's not like that the plan won't most likely work, if that's it, but how will it be any different from any other week in Matt's life? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Mod Note: schmevil 2009-04-26 11:32 pm UTC (link)
	Please, no hints at content before the cut when it comes to new issues. They are considered spoilers by a number of members. (Reply to this)

	liliaeth 2009-04-27 01:08 am UTC (link)
	Who the hell is the artist on this, His Matt looks ugly as hell. (Reply to this)