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arbre_rieur (arbre_rieur) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-06 22:02:00

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char: doc savage/clark savage jr, creator: brian azzarello, creator: rags morales, publisher: dc comics, title: first wave

More FIRST WAVE
...at DC's Source blog.

The Source has a page on Savage's crew, as well.

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	cricharddavies 2009-11-07 08:51 pm UTC (link)
	His portrayal of Luke Cage as an "anything for hire". (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-11-07 08:54 pm UTC (link)
	Has that been stated, or just your reading of his writing? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	stratosfyr 2009-11-07 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	It's been a while since I read it, but his CAGE miniseries was basically made of negative stereotypes. Luke was a total thug. Note the gold teeth and knuckles. I don't know if that's a good representation of his work, but if I had to judge by that. Eyaagh. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-11-07 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	That was part of Marvel MAX, which is an imprint that was basically built for the purpose of making adult themed comics with established characters, which would no doubt cause controversy if anyone actually cared. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	darkknightjrk 2009-11-08 04:13 am UTC (link)
	"Luke was a total thug. Note the gold teeth and knuckles." And? I'm sorry, but if gold teeth is the pennacle, then Ennis must be a member of the KKK for Barricuda. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cricharddavies 2009-11-08 05:40 am UTC (link)
	Ah, well, if other people do it too, it's completely acceptable. Got it. Glad we had this talk. (Reply to this) (Parent)

stratosfyr
2009-11-08 02:44 pm UTC (link)

Apples and oranges. Cage, along with the rest of the cast, walked out of a bad music video/Blaxploitation film (which is, fair enough, his origin) into a bad, go-nowhere comic... which really suffers in comparison to his portrayal in Bendis' Alias which was coming out at the same time, despite Luke's portrayal in the first few Alias issues being not so great either.

Barracuda walked out of a prison documentary into a good comic and scared the hell out of everyone by being the mother of all badasses and a criminal genius, subverting some stereotypes and turning the rest of them up to 11. Ennis has a decent track record of using a few elements of stereotypes to build his characters without relying on them exclusively, to the point where the biggest complaint I have about him (OK, on his "serious" stuff like MAX Punisher or Battlefields, not talking stuff like The Boys or MK Punisher which bug me in whole other ways I'm not getting in to) is that Americans just don't use "cunt" that often. A stereotype used well says "This character has a history"; used badly it says "This character is representative of Group X."

Anyway, I'm not saying Azzarello is racist at all, but if I had to judge by CAGE alone, it'd look bad for him. (I have disliked just about everything I've read by him, though. CAGE, first 100 Bullets trade, Batman: Broken City, Superman: For Tomorrow. But that's mostly because they were boring/pretentious.)

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	arbre_rieur 2009-11-07 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	Without stepping into the issue of whether the portrayal of Cage in the mini-series was racist or not (never read it), it should be pointed out that the series was out of continuity and not meant to be about Marvel Universe Luke Cage. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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