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arbre_rieur (arbre_rieur) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-28 23:14:00

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creator: jesus merino, creator: matthew sturges, group: justice society of america, publisher: dc comics, title: justice society of america

Justice Society of America #32
Four pages...

Power Girl knocks him down with super-breath.

Ladies and gentlemen, who do you think is the culprit? King Chimera? The All-American Kid? Neither? Both?

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	akodo_rokku 2009-10-29 07:08 am UTC (link)
	Having just realized tonight that Willingham wrote Shadowpact, I think All-American Kid is actually Kid Karnevil, and the whole mind control angle is an act he put on to throw the JSA off the trail. (Reply to this)

	manofbats 2009-10-29 07:13 am UTC (link)
	The culprit is Sturges and Willingham. Turned the gay one into an egg and killed the smartest member of the team in a forgettable way as though he were some obscure fodder nobody would care about. Dropped. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	box_in_the_box 2009-10-29 07:16 am UTC (link)
	Killed the only open ATHEIST on the team, to boot. But I'm sure his politics didn't impact his choices at all. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-29 07:22 am UTC (link)
	Atheist and black. All of the bad things in this title lately have happened to the gay one and the black guy. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	foxhack 2009-10-29 07:22 am UTC (link)
	Wait, what? Who'd they kill? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-29 07:22 am UTC (link)
	Mr. Terrific. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	arbre_rieur 2009-10-29 07:34 am UTC (link)
	We don't know if Mr. Terrific will really die yet. The team's still trying to revive him. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	foxhack 2009-10-29 07:21 am UTC (link)
	Excuse me? Since when is Jay Garrick skilled enough with technology to clean up a videotape? That just seems oddly out of character for him. I dunno why, it just does. o_O (Reply to this) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-29 07:29 am UTC (link)
	He's a college man with book smarts and lots of time on his hands. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	box_in_the_box 2009-10-29 07:39 am UTC (link)
	That's actually one area where I'll defend Willingham, since everyone seems to forget that Jay Garrick was, from his first appearances forward, a scientist (that's how he got his powers, after all), so if any senior citizen should be able to operate a VCR ... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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blakeyrat
2009-10-29 02:38 pm UTC (link)

I also don't get how super-speed would let you clean up a tape faster... none of the equipment has motors fast enough to catch up, and even if they did you'd just end up breaking the tape. (Assuming it's literally a tape. If it's digital, you hit up against the CPU, video processing is pretty heavy.)

I wish they'd just say "magic" and stop pretending there's any science involved in superheroics. "How did you clean up the tape in like 3 seconds?" "Magic." "Oh ok."

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	psychop_rex 2009-10-29 08:35 am UTC (link)
	Wait a minute - 'Boy King'? As in 'Boy King and the Giant'? Excuse me, I... I just had a little Golden Age joygasm there. (I have no idea whether my hypothesis is CORRECT, mind you, but still - joygasm!) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kamino_neko 2009-10-29 04:36 pm UTC (link)
	King Chimera's actually the son of a different (very obscure) Golden Age character. Guy named 'King' Standish. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	xdoop 2009-10-29 11:12 am UTC (link)
	Neither. We know the All-American Kid was controlled, and Chimera is going to be a member of that JSA spinoff. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-29 08:09 pm UTC (link)
	what? Why? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	volksjager 2009-10-29 12:15 pm UTC (link)
	I am just not liking the direction of the book :( (Reply to this)

(Anonymous)
2009-10-29 02:57 pm UTC (link)

box_in_the_box,

I've seen similar allegations in other places on the Internet, and thought I might address them here if I may.

First, JSA is currently being co-written by Bill Willingham and me. If you're going to call him a racist and a homophobe, then you're calling me one as well. Now, everyone's free to interpret the text as they like, but I want to be very clear that there was no such intent in writing the story, and I was deeply saddened to learn that some had interpreted that way.

Is Bill a conservative? You bet. But I'm not. I'm as pinko liberal as anyone you'd care to meet. Bill and I disagree about many things, but neither of us would dream of injecting racist or homophobic sentiments into a comic book. Aside from the fact that Mr. Terrific happens to be black, is there any indication that there is any racial motivation for his killing? Scanning the text, I don't find one. It never occurred to us in our wildest dreams that anyone would view it as anything other than a villain attacking a hero.

If I seem a bit strident in my response (and normally I wouldn't respond here, only because I don't want to color the discussion with my presence), it's only because being accused of racism or homophobia is something I take very, very seriously. I would never under any circumstances want to be thought to condone any kind of hateful agenda.

So let me be clear: the reason for the attack on Mr. Terrific is solely that he is the smartest member of the team, and the most tech-savvy. There was certainly no further motive on our part, I can assure you. Obsidian being turned into an egg was for a similar reason: to knock out the security system of the brownstone. No other reason (well, there is something else going on with Obsidian, but I can't say what). I can also assure you that if Mr. T stops being dead, he'll still be black and an atheist, and when Obsidian stops being an egg he'll still be gay.

I understand and applaud sensitivity toward these issues. And there are lots of real racists and homophobes out there who make no secret of their presence and their attitudes. Not in this case, however.

Thanks,

Matt Sturges

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	outlawpoet 2009-10-29 06:22 pm UTC (link)
	did you mean to reply to manofbats? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	killermoth1 2009-10-29 07:29 pm UTC (link)
	I'm going to agree with this. I might not necessarily agree with how they went out or even who went out (I say "out" because we all know in a few years they'll be back in : p) but I'm sick of writers being accused of racist or homophobic undertones every time a character with one of these traits is killed. Same with women, they're not all cases of fridging. (Reply to this) (Parent)

toasty_fresh
2009-10-29 07:49 pm UTC (link)

Well, neither box or manofbats actually accused anyone of racism or homophobia, or even mentioned those words-- they just stated some events that have happened in your comic. If saying what's happening in your comic makes it sound like someone's accusing you of racism and/or homophobia, you may want to re-examine what you've been writing . . .

ghedit because I always manage to word things in the weirdest ways

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arbre_rieur, 2009-10-30 02:52 am UTC

tl;dr, apologies -

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	mullon 2009-10-29 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think this is Matt Sturges. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	toasty_fresh 2009-10-29 07:32 pm UTC (link)
	Whether or not he did it, King Chimera can take his jheri curl and his incredibly unflattering suit and gtfo. And if this artist could learn how to draw breasts at the same time, that'd be cool too. (Reply to this)

	saxon_brenton 2009-10-29 08:37 pm UTC (link)
	At this point, I suspect 'neither'. While I applaud the fact that they are actually investigating whether All-American Kid may have committed the murder, I feel the story is trying too hard to force our suspicions on King Chimera. My gut feeling is red herrings. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-10-29 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	we actually saw what he did though. We witnessed the crime. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	perletwo 2009-10-30 12:22 am UTC (link)
	OK, what I want to see now is a Brave & the Bold issue teaming up King Chimera with Damian Wayne. Either they'd take over the world or each refuse to move a muscle to spite the other. :D (Reply to this)