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espanolbot (espanolbot) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-08 00:01:00

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char: the doctor, title: doctor who

Trailers of the upcoming K9 and Sarah Jane Smith Adventures series,

Firstly, here's Tom Baker's Doctor meeting one of the original Cybermen,

Amusing considering what the Ninth Doctor's reaction to seeing someone's salvaged Cyberman was. Though that was admittedly just a head, I guess.

Also the fact that they allegedly weren't completely coverted into machines yet, and hence are covered in a cloth-like material to keep things in place, was interesting. Though in reality it was probably a budget thing.

Anyway, here's the trailers.

K9,

Looks interesting, though the Department seems to be very similar to Torchwood in a lot of respects. They even seem to get the same decoraters for the cells.

Sarah Jane Adventures,

Hm, I wonder if they'll bring back that Pennywise expy they had in the previous season... OH! Something for those who are interested but don't know, David Tennant's Doctor is going to appear in a two part storyline in either October or November. :) Something to tide people over until they release the next one shot they'd filmed.

More fleshed out information by Icon_Uk below,

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icon_uk
2009-10-07 11:41 pm UTC (link)

It should be made clear that the new K9 trailer is based on the forthcoming Australian produced series with the new look K-9. It's unconnected with any part of Doctor Who as K-9 is a seperately owened entity.

However, the "classic" K-9 will have much more of an appearance in the Sarah-Jane season, he's out of the black-hole cupboard, and back in the real world, where he and Mr Smith will enjoy a somewhat snarky relationship as to who is more help to Sarah-Jane and the kids.

Oh, and the Cybermen have never been purely mechanical, otherwise they wouldn't be "cyber" anything, they'd be robots.

It wasn't a budget consideration, the original Cybermen were ALWAYS intended to look partly human. Hence the very first design (which the legality page image resembles but is different from) having human hands emerging from the cybernetic arms. They didn't have faceplates either, they had silver cloth stretched across their faces (or what was left of them) so that it was clear that there was still SOMETHING organic capable of movement under there, but it might just be exposed skull for all we could tell.

And the Doctor's appearance in "The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith" in three weeks time will lead into "The Waters of Mars"

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	espanolbot 2009-10-07 11:44 pm UTC (link)
	I never said that they were purely mechnical, I meant that when they were first introduced they had more organic parts than when they were introduced later on. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	espanolbot 2009-10-07 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you for filling in the rest of the information though. :) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-10-07 11:53 pm UTC (link)
	No problem, always looking forward to SJA more than I ever do that Torchwood mess. Some competent, creative alien handling! :) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-10-08 12:02 am UTC (link)
	Torchwood got WAY to heavy (and that's when it wasn't just a mess) I think SJA struck a good lighthearted cord as a kids show. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-10-08 12:10 am UTC (link)

I'd argue that SJA works much better as an adult drama than Torchwood ever has.

Whilst Torchwood makes too much of the fact it can (and does) have bonking and swearing, SJA instead has had cracking character pieces like "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane" and "The Temptation of Sarah Jane", helped immesaurably by Liz Sladen's performance, and some cracking acting support from Tommy Knight (Who could have been an uber-Welsey, but manages to avoid it) and Daniel Anthony. As such it comes across as a far more mature and assured show.

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	volksjager 2009-10-08 12:32 am UTC (link)
	I agree with you in the sense that Torchwood always seemed to force the "adult content" and the stories were always awkward. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

espanolbot
2009-10-08 01:07 am UTC (link)

I've found that Torchwood does what it was intended to do quite well: show what happens when humans try to do the Doctor's job when he isn't avaliable.

Namely, they can't cope so they get emotionally and mentally creamed.

The 456 could probably have been defeated in an in-show twenty minutes if they had managed to contact the Doctor via Martha (who was on her honeymoon and thus unavaliable apparently).

But if they had... there wouldn't have been any drama would there?

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	volksjager 2009-10-08 01:14 am UTC (link)
	I could never get over how Doctor who and torchwood could get around tripping over each other(let alone UNIT ect.)It was just a mess that never got untangled. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

stratosfyr
2009-10-08 02:55 am UTC (link)

One of the recurring themes in Doctor Who is that all of time and space, the entire history of the entire universe, is big. I read somewhere, for instance, that the fairly light adventure "Planet of the Dead" must have actually happened several months after the insanely dark "Children of Earth."

Essentially, no matter how miserable things get at any given point in history, the universe moves on. Both a depressing and reassuring message. ("This too shall pass.")

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	(Anonymous) 2009-10-08 12:14 am UTC (link)
	I'd like to know how they expect another season with killing almost all the main characters or having them run away after being infected with 10's 'everyone I know is dead so leave me alone and then I can complain of being alone' syndrome (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

espanolbot
2009-10-08 01:10 am UTC (link)

The ratings and overall good reviews have caused the creators to say there probably will be another miniseries, but for it to work they'll probably have to get Mickey and Martha involved to flesh out the numbers.

This was originally what they said they were going to do before Children of Earth, so I'm not sure why they weren't along. Probably had the budget cut or something so they couldn't afford them.

That or Martha calling the Doctor for help wouldn't have fit with the dark themes of the storyline.

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	stratosfyr 2009-10-08 02:57 am UTC (link)
	Freema Agyeman went to work on Law and Order: UK, and that's why she wasn't available for COE. I dunno otherwise. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-10-08 07:26 am UTC (link)
	Martha's visit to Torchwood in Season 2 seemed to highlight that she's not a terribly good fit for the team. In real life Freema's been working on other series (Survivors, Law and Order UK and Little Dorrit) and Noel Clarke is writing and directing more movies, so I'm not sure how likely it ever was to happen. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-10-08 12:01 am UTC (link)
	I would luv it if you would post the rest of that Cyberman story :) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-10-08 12:03 am UTC (link)
	I'm afraid I only have that one panel, sorry. :( Maybe someone else could find the name of the story and then I'll look for it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

blakeyrat
2009-10-08 01:30 am UTC (link)

At this rate, the new Doctor Who franchise is going to be burned-out at a legendary rate.

Next season? 38 new spin-offs of Doctor Who! That girl in that one episode who had a perfectly unremarkable cat and drew things with crayon? The cat gets a new series! It fights Cybermen and Daleks using the power of hairballs. Also she has a hilariously wacky sidekick in the form of the pencil scribble, come to life again through a flagrant plot-hole! We've already filmed 50 episodes because we know it'll be so good!!

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	icon_uk 2009-10-08 07:33 am UTC (link)
	I hardly think two popular spin-off's in a 46 year history is going to be a major threat. The K-9 series won't be referencing Doctor Who (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

blakeyrat
2009-10-08 01:46 pm UTC (link)

Except it's not in a 46-year history, it's in a ... what... 5 year history? Maybe 6? Two spinoffs in 8 years were enough to kill the Star Trek franchise on TV. Maybe audiences are different in the UK, but I doubt it.

The K-9 series won't be referencing Doctor Who

... except the design of the robot dog is almost identical, it speaks in the same voice as the original, and space-time travel is involved. This is some new definition of the phrase "won't be referencing" with which I was not previously familiar.

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	blakeyrat 2009-10-08 01:48 pm UTC (link)
	Oh wait, maybe I just misread you. Maybe you meant that "referencing" was too subtle a word for what they're doing, as opposed to "blatantly taking elements verbatim from". (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-10-08 02:58 pm UTC (link)
	I meant we're unlikely to see any reference at all to Time Lords, the Doctor, Gallifrey, the TARDIS or anything else, since the show doesn't have the rights to refer to them. There might be an indirect reference in the origin to explain how K-9 got to Earth, and his upgrade to "Dyson vaccuum cleaner" mode, but nothing beyond that./ (Reply to this) (Parent)

icon_uk
2009-10-08 03:16 pm UTC (link)

Except it's not in a 46-year history, it's in a ... what... 5 year history? Maybe 6?

No, Doctor Who debuted in November 1963, the current show is a continuation of that, not a reboot (THough there was that little gap between 1989 and 2004 with a small blip in the form of the McGann movie in 1996). K-9 and Sarah Jane both made their debuts and names back in the 1970's (and almost got a spinoff there, the only attempt that it had had at a spinoff in it's history until Torchwood). The spin-off resulted from the recent appearances, but the reason they were so popular dates back 30 odd years...

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	interrobamf 2009-10-08 06:00 pm UTC (link)
	Two spinoffs in 8 years were enough to kill the Star Trek franchise on TV. ...Eh? It's more accurate to say that Star Trek got four spin-offs in 14 years, the animated series notwithstanding. And the franchise did pretty fine enough for three of those spin-offs to get seven seasons each. (Reply to this) (Parent)

wizardru
2009-10-08 08:26 pm UTC (link)

Dude, SJA is a fantastic spin-off and my kids LOVE IT. My daughter loves it as much as Doctor Who itself. And 10 half-hour episodes a year is hardly over-saturation.

The K-9 series, which pretty much pretends to be not part of the Dr. Who continuity but leaves open a door to change their mind, took like nearly three years to generate a season. Not exactly swiftly using up the Doctor's ideas, that.

Heck, K9 & Company was in 1979, for crying out loud....so techincally Dr. Who has had at least 4 spin-offs...not including tons of novels and audio-plays.

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	silverzeo 2009-10-09 05:05 am UTC (link)
	That K9 trailer made me think back about how Nick used to have some odd, yet still great shows. Like Animorphs (when will they get a movie/comic deal?), Allen Strange, and Alex Mack. Anybody else remember those shows? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	galateus 2009-10-09 05:21 am UTC (link)
	But... the Animorphs TV show sucked so hard. :( +1 to the crack that was Alex Mack though. All I remember about Allen was the Allen/alien WE CONTROL THE HORIZONTAL AND THE VERTICAL style mindfuck commercials they had for it that would interrupt ongoing, other commercials for five seconds. (Reply to this) (Parent)