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Tweak says, "don't panic"

Liesel Hartwig // Hamlet (sinsremembered) wrote in musings,
@ 2010-09-24 09:53:00

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hamlet, kermit the frog, mercutio, sherlock holmes, sleeping beauty

[posted shortly after the Seattle Times article]

...That poor man.
My prayers are with his family.

Seattle... isn't such a nice place to live anymore.

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	thornyedges 2010-09-24 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	Better we try and do our part to improve it--even if it's with a simple prayer of kindness. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	J. Warda/D. Hockney the_automaton 2010-09-24 02:31 pm UTC (link)
	If you believe in prayer, you should increase your spiritual activity for this case. It wasn't a suicide. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	J. Warda/D. Hockney thornyedges 2010-09-24 02:36 pm UTC (link)
	~~I believe in angry Catholic nuns, if that counts.~~ [...] What do you know about this case, pipsqueek? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: J. Warda/D. Hockney the_automaton 2010-09-24 02:43 pm UTC (link)
	I know that a middle-class man with no prior use of intravenous drugs or criminal record does not suddenly decide to use heroin - an illegal, risky to obtain substance - as his instrument of self-termination. I also know that Mr. Stephenson was not a Creation, and as such, cannot magically teleport himself from place to place. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: J. Warda/D. Hockney thornyedges 2010-09-24 03:10 pm UTC (link)
	~~So you're rooting around crime scenes again--no, don't even tell me when or how. Considering how we met I have a feeling I already know the answer.~~ Did you read about that Auburn suicide? Wasn't much more than a blurb in the paper, but it was recent. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: J. Warda/D. Hockney the_automaton 2010-09-24 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	I saw the mention in the Seattle Times. Were you on that case? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: J. Warda/D. Hockney

thornyedges
2010-09-24 07:27 pm UTC (link)

Not exactly, I was first officer on scene. Kind of amusing, these provincial departments. Not enough officers to take a call in the middle of the evening but more than willing to declare a suicide despite criticism and general sense.

Whatever. I found the body in the cemetery without anyone on scene, 9mm GSW to the head. Looked like it was propped into place, despite the over-obvious hand-on-gun display. The M.E. seems to think she was left handed according to the callouses, despite the gun found in the right. Even disregarding the fact she was a wife and mother--a practicing Jewish woman and she decides to commit suicide of all things in a Christian cemetary--what the hell's the motive for that? Clothes were frayed in some areas, grass and blood on the jacket, some indication on the heels that could warrant suspicion but not enough evidence near the body to clearly indicate any struggle. No post-mortem bruising or defensive wounds, of course, but that would've been too easy.

Despite my suggestions to the Auburn sheriff, it was declared a suicide--no further investigations, but I couldn't expect those idiots to get on a crime scene faster than twenty minutes let alone make a thorough investigation.

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the_automaton
2010-09-24 07:36 pm UTC (link)

Do you have any photographs from the scene?

The fact that she was a wife and mother does not rule out suicide - it's more common than one would think for a suicide to come "out of nowhere." But I agree that a woman actively participating in the Jewish faith would very likely not end her life in a Christian cemetery. Also, a left handed person using their right hand for the definitive act that leads to her termination is very suspect.

The Bothell sheriff seems content to rule Stephenson's death a suicide as well. However, I will prove him wrong. As I said before: dead men don't teleport. There were no car keys anywhere in the hotel room where he was found and, after checking the taxi records of every company in the area, I concluded that he did not arrive there by cab.

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thornyedges
2010-09-24 08:01 pm UTC (link)

I could make a few phone calls, see what happens.

Interesting that both of the murders occurred in the outlying Seattle area. Both bodies placed in an area unconnected to the victim, the C.O.D. indicating suicide of a seemingly random nature. Hell, the woman didn't even have a gun license.

If they're connected to the same killer, it's possible that our Unsub is using some obsession with suicide to reenact various displays of the action--drug overdose, gun to the head. Are the victims simply randomized or does the lack of self-defense wounds indicate he or she knew them personally?

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the_automaton
2010-09-24 08:06 pm UTC (link)

Do.

Did any members of her family have a gun license? I do not believe that this was a suicide, but it is wise to ensure that all bases are covered.

If we want to establish a connection between the two victims, we should attempt to find common ground between them. For now, I do not think that we can call the cases connected, though the idea holds a great deal of merit.

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thornyedges
2010-09-24 08:18 pm UTC (link)

On it.

It's possible, the husband maybe; there were photographs in her wallet that might have suggested a sister, close relative with the same features. I'll have to run it over to Auburn, as cooperative as they are.

It's a viable hypothesis but you're right--we need to investigate this further. If they're connected, however, I doubt the killer is going to stop at the two of them. Any more suspicious suicides in the area and we'll have to look into it.

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	Re: J. Warda/D. Hockney the_automaton 2010-09-24 08:40 pm UTC (link)
	Good. Very well. If a close family member does own a gun and license, the theory is not entirely debunked. We simply need to ensure that no mitigating factors interfere. Agreed. It is difficult to establish a pattern with two individuals, especially with so little immediately in common. A third occurrence will allow us to determine the pattern. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: J. Warda/D. Hockney thornyedges 2010-09-24 08:44 pm UTC (link)
	Understood. I'll contact you once I have the information. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: J. Warda/D. Hockney the_automaton 2010-09-24 09:46 pm UTC (link)
	Very well. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sinsremembered 2010-09-24 01:14 pm UTC (link)
	[...] I wonder sometimes. How much simple prayer can do anymore. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	thornyedges 2010-09-24 01:19 pm UTC (link)
	Prayers, hope, love. Just as powerful as a sword, don't you think? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sinsremembered 2010-09-24 01:26 pm UTC (link)
	Prayer, yes. Hope, definitely. But I never considered love of anything but God to be that strong. There's so much evil in the world. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

thornyedges
2010-09-24 01:37 pm UTC (link)

"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord."

More than enough reason to continue to fight against it, in whatever way we can. Not everyone can carry the burden of a sword and shield, but each person can pledge their part for the sake of what's right.

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	sinsremembered 2010-09-24 01:41 pm UTC (link)
	[...] I think you may have quite a point there. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	noteasy 2010-09-24 04:43 pm UTC (link)
	I think it hasn't changed much since my arrival. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sinsremembered 2010-09-24 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	In comparison to my old life? This was a thorough improvement. ...Things keep happening, I think, things I wouldn't have noticed once before. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	noteasy 2010-09-25 12:27 am UTC (link)
	What do you mean? ~~Humor it, Jim. Humor it~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sinsremembered 2010-09-25 12:49 am UTC (link)
	People didn't die often where I came from. It actually made an impact when somebody did. ~~A big impact, actually, more than you could comprehend.~~ Here... it just happens. [...] Mr Whitmire. Lovely to speak with you again, by the way. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	noteasy 2010-09-25 01:11 am UTC (link)
	[...] You're not from Musings? ~~How did you get~~ Everyone died all the time back home ...? I mean, I don't advocate it at all but from unnatural causes the numbers are low here. They have the natural causes to make up for it I guess [...] yeah. Always. Change your mind by any chance? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

sinsremembered
2010-09-25 01:17 am UTC (link)

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I was from Musings.
But I come from a place that had bodyguards. Armed ones. Everybody I knew had one, it was simply the done thing.

The one time someone close to me died, it was an unnatural cause. And there have been far more here. ...I suppose this is all through personal experience really. I know Musings was difficult. I just never experienced it.

[...]

No. Unfortunately not, I'm afraid I stand by my reasoning. The negatives outweigh the positives.

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	noteasy 2010-09-25 02:29 am UTC (link)
	Ah. Well some of us weren't as lucky. I mean, I have, but I know people who weren't. And I lived in New York City where it was as bad as it gets. [...] Have you thought about it? [...] And you'd be surprised. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sinsremembered 2010-09-25 02:43 am UTC (link)
	I grew up in Pittsburgh. We never really had any trouble. I have. I even did a little research. I found it might be somewhat hazardous to my health. You neglected to tell me of the recent death. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	noteasy 2010-09-25 02:44 am UTC (link)
	Lucky. [...] ~~MUST YOU HAUNT ME EVEN IN DEATH? SHEESH~~ Look, Miss Hartwig, it was an accident a very rare one. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	sinsremembered 2010-09-25 02:47 am UTC (link)
	I was. I'm sure it was. But in no other theatre I have worked in has someone died while I was considering the option. It's not a promising sign, is it? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	noteasy 2010-09-25 02:56 am UTC (link)
	No. But it was [...] before, so we could ignore any superstitions? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mercurialman 2010-09-24 04:45 pm UTC (link)
	When on earth has Seattle ever been a nice place to live? Convenient, yes. Lucrative. But nice? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sinsremembered 2010-09-24 10:30 pm UTC (link)
	Seattle is not convenient in the least. I suppose it is lucrative for you, however. I used to enjoy living here. Now I feel far safer staying at home. Don't say you haven't noticed it. It's becoming so much easier to just stay indoors away from trouble. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	comingforyou 2010-09-24 08:56 pm UTC (link)
	~~Suicide's for cowards... if it even was one, hah~~ There's really no such thing as a 'nice place to live.' Every populated area has negative aspects to go along with the positive, especially in a city like this - I doubt suicide is a new phenomenon. (Reply to this)