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vikingly ([info]vikingly) wrote in [info]marinanova,
@ 2013-10-21 18:55:00

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Entry tags::class, :mingle, artemis crock, eric northman, kitty pryde (aoa), lacus clyne, lelouch vi britannia, piter de vries, saetan sadiablo, sam winchester, sookie stackhouse, tieria erde, yuuki kuran, zero kiryuu

Day 242 | Criminology Class Mingle
[ ooc: A little forward dated so that this is an early evening edition of class in keeping with Eric's hours. Treat this as a mingle. Notifs are off so if you want to speak with Eric directly tag into one of his threads. I'll make him available for chit chat after class and for a Q&A]

[ Eric steps up in front of the class. He’s dressed in a grey pinstriped suit and black shirt. The collar of the shirt is open at the neck. It’s something he’d wear for one of Nan’s PR campaigns, and truthfully this feels much like one of those, with one exception: he doesn’t intend to pander to anyone. He’d gotten the impression Spencer wanted the truth, and he intends to give it to these people as well. When he’d begun discussing vampire psychology with Spencer Reid a couple of weeks ago, he’d never expected it to turn into a class. The idea of it amused him, as did the idea that he could be honest about things rather than read a script and smile charmingly until someone yelled cut. He looked out to the crowd, picking out the faces he knew then put on that oh-so-charming smile.]

Some of you know me, but I’ll introduce myself for those that don’t. I’m Eric Northman. I run the Blood Shack here in the dome and I’m a thousand year old vampire. [ Never let it said that Eric doesn’t like to be dramatic. His fangs descend at the last bit and he grins, letting everyone get a good look at them. Seconds later the fangs are gone and the charming smile is back. ]

I’m here today because Mr. Reid requested that I talk a little bit about vampire psychology. Apparently this is a topic of discussion among the Defense Force. I’d like to set some misconceptions right. I suppose, first and foremost, I should acknowledge that the bulk of my knowledge deals with vampires in my world. I realize there are different types of vampires here in the dome and there is the possibility of the psychology, as well as “the rules” [ yes, he did use air quotes] varying. That being said, I’m going to jump right in.

I believe the most interesting question Mr. Reid and I discussed that day was whether vampires could be held to the same lawful standards as human, from a psychological point of view. The simple answer is yes. As you will be able to see in a demonstration I’ll conduct in a moment, I do not turn into a raving monster around blood. I do not lose control and I don’t slaughter willy nilly. [ There’s a smirk, a look of amusement. Sookie might’ve helped him with this lecture. Willy nilly was her contribution. ]

We discussed the idea that humans are cattle to vampires and just as a human would not be held responsible for the slaughter of a cow, we should not be held responsible for the slaughter of a human. While that idea isn’t entirely wrong, [ He pauses, as if considering his next comment ] many of you are cattle as far as many of us are concerned—that idea is flawed. I’ve actual experience with actual cattle from my days as a human and I’ve yet to see cattle redeem their entire races with one action as I’ve seen the occasional humans do. Humans are capable of much more than they generally accomplish. Cattle are not.

[ He looks directly out to the crowd. ] You are food, but a few of you have the ability to be so much more. Enough about you, on to more about vampires. [ He dismisses the subject with a wave of his hand. ] People forget that vampires were human once. I had a wife, I had children, I had parents and subjects and friends and enemies. [ So yes, for any of you wondering, he is a king, or was at one point] Because we were once human, we’re like humans in some ways. There are vampires who enjoy the arts, those that enjoy being social [ He’s thinking of Caroline here ] and those of us that enjoy mayhem and murder. Yes, being a vampire does allow you to get in touch with the mayhem and murder side of things. Blood is intoxicating in a way that alcohol wishes it could be. A flood of blood is enough to make one practically giddy and to be honest, I spent my younger days knee deep in it. However, I was fortunate to have a maker that instilled humanity in me and showed me the benefit of controlling my urges. Humans are brilliant inventors. The world has come a very long way since I was human, and I’d like to enjoy those advances. Controlling my urges allows me the ability to do just that. Are there days I’d still like to kill everyone in the room? [ A smirk, a glance about the crowd and a wink]

Of course.

In short, yes, we can control ourselves and yes, control generally comes with age, but there are some of us born with extraordinary control. I need approximately two pints of blood a day. Anything more is just gluttony.

All of that being said, vampires shouldn’t be governed by humans. In my world, we have the Authority of which I happen to be a Chancellor. We deal with vampires who get out of control, lay down a series of guidelines and provide a chain of authority for vampires. We’ve got the ‘muscle’ so to speak to enforce the guidelines. Humans simply don’t have that, nor do humans garner enough respect from the vampires to enforce anything. After all, you’d hardly take orders from your hamburger. [ By the grin on his face, it’s meant to be a joke. ]

Now, I did promise you a demonstration. Once that’s over I’ll open the floor for questions. Don’t bother asking how to kill me because I won’t answer those.



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Q&A
[info]vikingly
2013-10-21 08:04 pm UTC (link)
[ Eric will take questions about vampire psychology. He'll turn down any questions that have to do with killing vampires, but if you'd like to discuss thier culture, he'll be happy to do so. ]

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[info]notamasochist
2013-10-21 09:17 pm UTC (link)
[The entire conversation probably started after Zero's guest lecture about vampires in Sam's class. Reid was extremely interested in the psychological aspect and it wouldn't surprise him to find out he'd sought out other vampires outside of that for feedback and information.

Marina is crawling with vampires and you're likely to have more than one or two in this class. Yuuki is a regular and Zero's been intending to start this specific class for several weeks--it just so happened that today is that day. So there is a vampire hunter in your midst.]


So the humans of your world are forced to rely entirely on the authority of a species who views them as prey. Does this Authority work in their interest and if so, what sort of rules are there to safeguard them?

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-21 10:02 pm UTC (link)
It is in the best interest of the Authority to protect humans. Even before we were 'out of the coffin' so to speak, the Authority had a series of guidelines, rules and a hierarchy of power in place to avoid massacres and slaughters. Humans outnumber vampires in my world and a mob of them even poorly informed can do a great deal of damage. Now that we are integrated with the humans, we've come to enjoy a certain kind of lifestyle that was impossible before. We can settle down, make homes, open businesses. Very few of us are willing to sacrifice that for a night of debauchery.

Your use of the word prey is inaccurate as well. It suggest hunting and we don't. Hunt humans that is. Food is a much more accurate term.

When a vampire kills a human, and it does happen from time to time, they are brought up on charges in front of their local Sheriff. Depending on the vampire, his or her history and their circumstances they are subject to a variety of punishments from servitude to true death.

[ Of course, to a degree this is all bullshit. Yes, the measures exist and yes they are acted upon. However, killing humans, abusing them and the like happen more than even the Authority will admit. ]

And as a side note, it's not merely the humans that the Authority protects. As I mentioned, humans can be quite inventive and dangerous en masse. Of course, we turn the humans over to the proper human authorities when we find ourselves dealing with that sort of situation.

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[info]notamasochist
2013-10-21 10:40 pm UTC (link)
[It's obvious there is a large portion of doubt in Zero as he addresses more.]

The very act of drinking from someone is using them as prey. Even if they are in agreement with the act, there are always other options. You can not compare humans to hamburgers. One is already dead,cooked and served. A human-for a vampire-is more like the cow. The very act of having free will and choice to react to their attack. To stop and say they don't agree. To be cajouled into offering themselves to the vampire. So I disagree with saying prey isn't the accurate term. Blood is the food. Humans are the prey.

And as such, I fail to see how any organization that consists entirely of just one species that relies on the other for their food source can effectively protect and put the interests of the other first. I don't care if they spent time as humans prior. Without the inclusion and agreement from both sides, neither side is safe.

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-21 11:03 pm UTC (link)
In that case, your world and mine are very different. We've business that cater to providing fresh blood to vampires. Humans go into the business voluntarily, take jobs voluntarily and are paid well for the job.

As for the idea of a human being cajoled into offering themselves, please take up that issue with Sookie. I won't say it doesn't happen, but it's more rare than you might think. Word always gets out. Besides, it's a lot of effort to persuade someone to allow themselves to be fed from when it's quite simple to find someone more than willing.

The humans still maintain their government. The only thing the vampire authority rules over are other vampires. We don't even try to keep the werewolves in check. At a government level, the Authority works with the human government in order to form a society that is fair and just to both parties. So you see, my world and my Authority is abiding by your ideas. We happen to agree with you that neither side is safe without input from both.

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/such a vampire geek...
[info]notamasochist
2013-10-21 11:35 pm UTC (link)
It's those differences I'm interested in--from all the worlds. I know your world and mine are the only ones that have been in Marina to have introduced a type of synthetic blood for the vampire population.

Your vampires are publically acknowledged, ours are not. Your humans are unable to go up against the vampires, but my world there are a group of families that have been provided that ability.

Former humans are the norm in your world, while the majority of vampires in my world had vampire parents and were born just like humans.

Which is why coming out and making a blanket statement that all vampires don't turn into stark raving mad animals at the scent of blood--when your only source of information is from your world and experiences--is a dangerous one to be giving. Each world and situation is different and your little demonstration would have different results depending on the dynamic. The only psychology you've demonstrated is your own.

In my world, the former human in certain conditions can lose themselves completely and respond only to the animalistic desires it possesses--starting with completely devouring and killing those closest to them and then moving out into public.

That's a much different psychology than you've demonstrated.

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-21 11:55 pm UTC (link)
I did preface that the only psychology I could comment on was that of my world and that I was aware there were other vampires from other worlds with different psychologies and rules.

However, if you'd like to stop by the Blood Shack sometime and discuss the differences between our worlds, I'd be more than happy to do so.

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[info]notamasochist
2013-10-22 12:22 am UTC (link)
I'm aware of that. It's not so much about comparing and contrasting worlds as it is adding this new psychology to your judgment. You are a Chancellor back home--so you should be used to deciding the fate of vampires back home given the circumstances.

One of these vampires arrives in Marina and bites your fairy in the early stages of their transition because of her tempting blood-or to remove the emotion for you-they bite Yuuki who posesses a similar draw as well as the special qualities of her blood as well. Should they be held to the same lawful standards as the other vampires who have lived for a thousand years?

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-22 12:41 am UTC (link)
If someone bit Sookie, I would make certain they understood that was not allowed. If someone bites Yuuki, I would be happy to assist in making certain they understand that. However, ultimately this is the Wardens' 'gig' so to speak and I can only react and make judgements if I concede to the Wardens judgement of me.

That being said, if it were up to me, I'd decide the fate of each upon the circumstances, the individuals involved and the outcome of the attack.

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[info]notamasochist
2013-10-22 10:10 am UTC (link)
[Good answer.]

I'm sure the spectrum of situtations you've seen in your position is somewhat as varied as mine. Psychology deals with the pattern of behavior and mental thought process of a specific person in comparison to a group as a whole. Things outside the 'norm', correct?

I'm sure you have some interesting case studies to provide us from your experiences.

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-24 03:09 pm UTC (link)
In general, yes what the Authority deals with are cases outside of the norm. Those abnormalities vary a great deal. It's always incredibly interesting and sometimes tedious.

[ Eric considers that. ] Indeed.

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[info]notamasochist
2013-10-24 04:04 pm UTC (link)
[Hmm...you must hate the paperwork part of it too. He can relate to that.]

I know I would find it educational to hear some of these. Could you give us a few?

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-30 07:22 pm UTC (link)
[ Paperwork is one reason he avoided climbing higher in vampire politics than he did. Joining the authority was a recent thing and something he did out of necessity almost. He'd been content for years to be the Sheriff of his region.

He narrows his eyes at Zero, not entirely sure what reasons the vampire is asking. ]


I believe you'll find many of the same crimes among vampires as you will among humans. The only difference being in the way that they are handled. Murder, abuse, manslaughter etc and so on.

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[info]notamasochist
2013-10-30 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Of course they are. But it isn't the specific crimes I'm asking about. It's the reason behind them. The motivation which compared between someone who murders a single time as a crime of passion for a specific reason and a serial killer. There is a difference in psychology there.

[He's always interested. There never is a reason other than it's a subject he enjoys researching more about.]

One murders out of momentary rage while the other does it out of pleasure.

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-10-23 11:25 pm UTC (link)
[She's not so much the raise her hand type as the try to catch his eye type and start talking, so she'll just do that.]

Okay... So, tying this in more to other classes, you're talking about well adjusted vampires, right? What about the ones who aren't? Are there vampire sociopaths too? Are any of them killing instead of just getting a drink?

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-24 07:00 pm UTC (link)
There are absolutely vampire sociopaths, which was the point of the lecture. Vampires can be classified just like humans because they were human. Some of us have more control than others, but all of them, in my world, can control themselves if they wish to do so.

Many of them slaughter for pleasure as opposed to feeding. As you saw, feeding is a very different activity.

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-10-30 01:07 am UTC (link)
So what happens when they do it for pleasure? The Authority steps in?

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[info]vikingly
2013-10-30 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Precisely and they often get the true death.

[ Not always, but that's what the authority would have the humans believe. ]

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-11-07 07:01 pm UTC (link)
True death? [What now?]

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[info]vikingly
2013-11-07 10:48 pm UTC (link)
One must die in order to be reborn as a vampire. The true death is a death that vampires won't come back from.

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-11-08 11:22 pm UTC (link)
So that part's true? You actually died? ...Was it on purpose?

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[info]vikingly
2013-11-11 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Of a sort. I was never told that I would die. I was simply told I would be given the means to exact revenge for my family. I chose that option. It happened to be death and rebirth.

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-11-17 10:53 pm UTC (link)
You really didn't care what happened to you as long as you could get revenge?

...Are you still glad you did it?

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[info]vikingly
2013-11-18 07:36 pm UTC (link)
I had lost my wife and my children. Much of my village was decimated. Why should I have cared?

[ He chuckles. ] You will find few humans who like what they are as much as I do. [ There really isn't any self loathing here. ]

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-11-27 05:11 am UTC (link)
[Well that...that is just going to get him a sad look.] I know it was a long time ago, but...

I'm sorry about your family.

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