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Fela | The Kingkiller Chronicles (relarfela) wrote in madisonvalley,
@ 2013-11-27 06:26:00

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!open, ~10 points, ~2013 november, ~~cassiopeia black (cassiopeiablack), ~~fela (relarfela), ~~pollux black (pollux_black)

I was just very curious - those of you who come from other 'magical' worlds; what are the laws surrounding your 'magical' usage? For instance, are there punishments for malfeasance? I suppose I'm not familiar with all the things your different worlds are capable of doing, but I've very curious how your worlds deal with what you can do.

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	pollux_black 2013-11-27 06:06 pm UTC (link)
	How are you defining malfeasance? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	relarfela 2013-11-28 04:15 am UTC (link)
	As magic that hurts rather than heals. As magic used to an evil end. There are many different varieties. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pollux_black 2013-11-28 04:19 am UTC (link)
	I see. There are laws against 'dark magic' but the lawmakers are the only ones who 'get' to classify what that means. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	relarfela 2013-11-28 04:26 am UTC (link)
	I can't imagine there'd be a terrible amount of controversy over it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pollux_black 2013-11-28 04:27 am UTC (link)
	It depends which side you stand on, I think. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	relarfela 2013-11-28 04:33 am UTC (link)
	The good side, of course. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pollux_black 2013-11-28 04:34 am UTC (link)
	What makes the other side bad? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	relarfela 2013-11-28 04:36 am UTC (link)
	They hurt people. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pollux_black 2013-11-28 04:37 am UTC (link)
	How? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	relarfela 2013-11-28 04:46 am UTC (link)
	We'll they nearly killed my friend Kcothe. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pollux_black 2013-11-28 04:48 am UTC (link)
	Ah. Of course. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Pollux cassiopeiablack 2013-11-28 05:41 am UTC (link)
	It's an arbitrary distinction, isn't it? ~~I wonder why she's asking.~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Pollux \| Cassi pollux_black 2013-11-28 05:43 am UTC (link)
	Quite. Rather because it emphasizes negative emotions. It isn't as if we're not in control of ourselves when we practice. ~~That's why I was disappointed to discover you and Callidora were doing things unsupervised.~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Pollux \| Cassi cassiopeiablack 2013-11-28 05:51 am UTC (link)
	If anything, the more potentially dangerous the spell, the more control is needed. And yet there are spells not considered 'dark' in the slightest that might cause awful harm if misused. I'm rather inclined to think much of the distinction is for political purposes, myself. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Pollux \| Cassi pollux_black 2013-11-28 05:54 am UTC (link)
	Essentially, yes. Of course the Ministry decides what's considered good and bad at its own leisure. 'Because I don't like it' doesn't make it wrong. It isn't a legitimate reason to classify a piece of magic one way or another. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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cassiopeiablack
2013-11-28 06:00 am UTC (link)

Precisely. The Ministry behaves quite childishly about it all. Anyone who has such a fear of negative emotion that they can't cope with such spells can simply refrain from attempting them. No need to close off the avenue of study to the rest of us.

Of course, anyone holding that sort of opinion could never properly make their views known to the Ministry, and so it all continues.

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	Pollux \| Cassi pollux_black 2013-11-28 06:07 am UTC (link)
	Nut publicly, no. The Ministry doesn't interfere, they profit from it. Why do you think Borgin and Burkes remains untouched? And I dare say the Ministry isn't foolish enough to go about arresting members of certain families. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Pollux \| Cassi cassiopeiablack 2013-11-28 06:14 am UTC (link)
	Oh. Oh, of course. They're aware but they shan't ever do anything about it, there's too much else that would be upset if they did. Which makes them dreadful hypocrites but also, as certain families are concerned, harmless. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Pollux \| Cassi pollux_black 2013-11-28 06:17 am UTC (link)
	They're a nuisance at best. They're not going to arrest Arcturus any more than they did Uncle Sirius or Grandfather. Too influential, and it'll annoy the other families with whom we have alliances. That bothers certain Ministry officials, but the higher ups won't sign off on abusing us. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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cassiopeiablack
2013-11-28 06:26 am UTC (link)

Yes. Once they made one arrest, it would signal to the other families that something had gone very wrong at the Ministry, and I don't imagine they would be taken seriously for very much longer if all the influential families withdrew support.

So they leave us all alone. Which I'm glad for.

Wait. Pollux. Sirius. The Sirius we met here. They went after him, didn't they, you said? What does that mean for us?

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	Pollux \| Cassi pollux_black 2013-11-28 06:31 am UTC (link)
	Exactly. They want and need our support. I spoke to him about it. It was during a war, a war in support of muggle-borns. Of course he was only giving me one half of the ordeal, as he saw it. But he'd also been disowned, and therefore I'm hardly inclined to believe we'd care if he'd been arrested at that point. He wasn't part of the family. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Pollux \| Cassi cassiopeiablack 2013-11-28 06:36 am UTC (link)
	A war in support of muggle-borns? What a ridiculous idea. They should be grateful we allow them a place in polite society at all. But then if America is at all representative we already have every indication that the future will hardly be pleasing. That must be it, though. If he wasn't part of the family, nobody would care to defend him from the Ministry. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Pollux \| Cassi pollux_black 2013-11-28 07:01 am UTC (link)
	That's my thought as well. They certainly provide useful measures, but if they're going to stay they might well cut off their ties to the muggle world entirely. Perhaps we'll be dead before we reach an England that looks like this America. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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cassiopeiablack
2013-11-28 07:10 am UTC (link)

Yes, they ought to. There isn't any reason for a war. We do so much for them, seeing that they're educated and helping them integrate. Unless those people who think Hogwarts should only be open to students with verifiable bloodlines have their way at some point in the future, of course. I can't deny that it would be a more pleasant place without the muggle influences, but even I can see that it's not a sensible view to take, politically.

Sirius is from too many years ahead for me to do more than speculate, though. And you might be right, although I'd rather not think about that either. Contemplating one's own death is terribly morbid.

Maybe it's only muggle America and the magical community still has...standards?

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pollux_black
2013-11-28 08:05 am UTC (link)

Is that what you want to happen? I don't mind that they're part of our society. From what I gathered from Sirius the muggle-borns want us to change, but they can leave our world when it stops suiting them. We've no place to go, the magical community is our only home. So if you're going to join it, join it and don't demand we abandon our traditions.

Morbid, yes, but inevitable. Though you are young and oughtn't worry overmuch, less your sickness become more dire and require more thought, that is.

I do hope so. But I never really intend to come to America when Irma and I travel.

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Pollux | Cassi

cassiopeiablack
2013-11-28 11:40 am UTC (link)

You're quite right, of course. As for what I'd like to happen? It isn't simple. Yes, Hogwarts would be better off without all the talk of muggle nonsense they bring with them. I don't like it. But what I dislike is hardly a good basis for deciding what's best. The fact is that they have magic. If we bar them from participating fully in the magical community, they'll still be doing magic, the little they can without wands, only uncontrolled and in front of muggles. I think in the end it'd cause more problems than it solves, so we shall have to put up with them.

They're not all dreadful, either. Some of them do appreciate our traditions.

Yes, I have more reason to worry over it than you do. Did you know that I had my portrait painted last year during the holidays? Mother insisted on it. It's possible that I won't live very long, but there's not very much I can do about it if that's the case. I prefer not thinking about it unless I have to. ~~It frightens me.~~

I didn't know that you and Irma planned to travel! When are you going?

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pollux_black
2013-11-28 02:11 pm UTC (link)

Indeed. It's for the best of our community as a whole.

And it isn't as if we're inviting them to stay with us either. Merlin knows I'd not go that far. But they exist, good enough I say.

Really? Interesting. I'd heard they were trying to mimic muggle ... film to make the portraits move. Is it true? Mother is very silly when it comes to you.

Yes, well. She won't want to on account of Cygnus being so little yet. He's hardly six months old and still dependent on her milk. We can't travel with the children, perhaps next year.

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Pollux | Cassi

cassiopeiablack
2013-11-28 06:13 pm UTC (link)

Yes, and that is why we tolerate them. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for them, the ones that are making an attempt to fit in. It isn't their fault that their blood is as it is, after all.

She's only like that after I've taken ill. The rest of the time she's far more interested in your children. But yes, that's the general idea with the portraits, although I find it troubling because the painter told me they move and even speak, just as I would, but not until after I'm dead.

Of course. Perhaps next year, if Irma's not expecting again by then. Otherwise it will be Calli and I going off on our travels first!

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	Pollux \| Cassi pollux_black 2013-11-28 06:21 pm UTC (link)
	They'll never be more than what they are. Bless our Mother. The children adore her. Really? That's curious, have they trapped a piece of your soul inside it? I'll commission a portrait when we go home. ~~If she's -~~ Yes, well, we're quite beyond that point. Father won't let you and Callidora go alone. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Pollux | Cassi

cassiopeiablack
2013-11-28 06:32 pm UTC (link)

You're right about that, of course.

Yes, they're very fond of her. ~~If only she had been that attentive when Marius and Dorea were younger.~~ A piece of my soul? I certainly hope not! I don't know how it works, really. I'll ask Mother about it when we go home.

~~She's very...fertile.~~ Father might. I shall ask him myself and see what he has to say on the matter.

I miss them awfully, you know. Mother and Father both. It isn't like being away at school where I still hear from them all the time.

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