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Isadora Raleigh ([info]poison_and_fire) wrote in [info]indarkness_logs,
@ 2010-09-07 20:41:00

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Entry tags:!complete, 2032 09, isadora raleigh, spike spiegel

RP: To Trap the Trappers
Characters: Dora, Spike
Time/Date: After dark, September 7
Location: down by the south shore, two miles from the hotel
Warnings/Rating: devious plotting
Summary: Dora makes arrangements
Status: Complete



Isadora was patient, but she also wasn't one to waste a potential opportunity. It was completely possible that nothing would come of it, that they wouldn't be able to develop a plan -- with or without considering people's magics -- but wasting the opportunity wasn't worth considering.

Perhaps they could observe down by the shore. Perhaps they could hear every word ... but perhaps not.

Earlier that day, she and Iridia had taken a stroll along the second floor hallway. Under the pretense of scratching, Iridia had kicked the note Isadora had dropped beneath Spike's door, and they'd moved on along the hall.

The note was simple, giving him directions and an approximate time of a meeting place. If he showed up, he showed up. If he didn't, well ... then he didn't, and she and Iridia enjoyed a quiet evening listening to the waves in the darkness. She hoped he'd figure out how long of a walk it was, and leave early enough ... if he was coming at all.

Drawing the shawl closer around her shoulders, Isadora stood by the shoreline, listening to the waves as she gazed across the water. Iridia was listening for footsteps, though she was a bit herself as well.

Truthfully, she had no idea where to start, but ... perhaps discussing what they knew as facts would be a place to start. They could assess their resources and perceived willingness of people to participate, and go from there. If necessary, she had nothing against the two of them doing something alone together ... whatever they could manage to pull off.

Surely, there was something to be done, one way or the other.



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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-08 11:48 am UTC (link)
Spike still wasn't quite certain what to think of recent events. He was, of course, frustrated that the Heads had found a way to drug him - if that was how they'd forced sleep - and steal his weaponry; but he was also curious who might be sent home (and why).

Once again, he'd come close to figuring out the way they thought - to figuring out what sort of twisted moral code they operated under - only to have those ideas dashed by an unexpected change of pace. Almost like a puzzle, a game intentionally played with the captives' minds... The novelty of the puzzle, however, had long since been abolished, taken away when the Reavers attacked. Now, Spike was just growing ever more agitated with the confusing antics and blatant displays of a god complex.

The note had arrived at some point while Spike was asleep, so he initially regarded it with a touch of suspicion. Very few good things happened when he was asleep, it seemed. However, he recognized the handwriting as Dora's after a quick glance - before even reading it. It wasn't often he saw hand-written notes around this place. Everything was spoken or typed.

Even if he had plans, Spike would have canceled them in favor of meeting Dora. She was an ally, perhaps even a friend, and a damn good informant; whatever she needed was important... perhaps even beneficial. He had, after all, asked her to tell him if she found a way to the Heads. Part of him hoped that was the meaning of the rendezvous. Another part of him suspected that it involved the trap they'd discussed at some earlier point. A week had passed, if he wasn't mistaken; but sometimes it was difficult to gauge time. Everything was hectic, the moon was a lie, and there was no true relevance to darkness versus light. Well, not yet. Maybe if more man-eating creatures were released...

Spike left his room when there was what he considered to be ample time to reach the destination, but he still arrived a few minutes late. The leisurely pace at which he walked was responsible - if only partly - for his tardiness. The other part... Well, maybe he wasn't the best at guessing walking distances based on vague points of reference. (Aside from the week of hell - the week in which the Reavers appeared - he hadn't ventured much farther than the hotel and the gas station before.)

When he reached the shore, Spike stopped within comfortable distance of Dora and Iridia. Even after dark, it was easy to recognize a woman with an 'overgrown cat' as a constant companion... exceptional visual prowess notwithstanding. He glanced at them for a short moment just to be certain then turned his gaze toward the waves.

With his less-than-proper posture and hands in his pockets, it was likely easy to infer that he'd just been wandering around without intentions to meet someone; but such was far from a deliberate attempt at stealth. Although he did wonder whether there would be surveillance beyond the usual boundaries, it wasn't reason enough to make him purposefully alter his demeanor. If anything, it was a sign that he trusted Dora enough not to be on-edge around her. Not that he had access to any weapons, should opposite circumstances arise...

"I didn't think you were the 'romantic night by the shore' type," he teased. His gaze trailed back to her as his lips curled into a smirk, likely making it obvious that he didn't really think the purpose of the meeting was anywhere near romance or enjoying the view.

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-08 02:39 pm UTC (link)
"Shows what you know, then," she replied before she turned her head to regard him, a slight smile curving her own lips. "But if I'd been going for romance, I would have brought candles."

She rested a hand lightly on Iridia's head before she made a slight 'have a seat' gesture. She wasn't sure how long they'd be here, nor what they might cover, and she wasn't inclined to stand the entire time. She smoothed the skirt of her dress beneath her as she eased to settle down on the dry dirt near the shoreline.

The conditions were far from ideal, but it wasn't as though they could have this discussion inside, now could they? Out here though ... it was possible they wouldn't be listening.

It was just as possible that they would be, though. She thought it was a relatively calculated risk though -- there didn't seem to be any places to plant cameras or recorders, but they'd proven more than once they were sneaky bastards.

"I just thought we might take this opportunity to ... talk, in a place where there was possibly a lower risk of being overheard," she admitted as she arranged her heavy skirt over her lap, resting her hands on her thighs.

Iridia dropped down behind Isadora, curling his body around hers, resting his head on his paws in such a way that he could keep an eye on Spike. The tip of his tail twitched lazily as he half-closed his eyes and let his ears go into a more relaxed position.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-08 06:12 pm UTC (link)
"Maybe they collected the candles, as well," he offered in light-hearted contradiction. "I try not to assume anything exists here."

Spike waited until Dora was seated before joining her on the ground. He didn't let it show, but he wasn't exactly comfortable being down there when anyone or anything could emerge from the shadows. But what would he do, even if standing? Point his finger at an ambusher and say bang? It didn't take long for him to realize that there was no direct advantage to standing - at least not one significant enough to consider.

Compared to the trouble she took to make sure her dress was smoothed, he likely appeared to be a careless slob. He stretched his legs out and used his left arm as a support for most of his weight. (Though he was at the point where it wouldn't feel like torture to place some weight on his right arm, the thought was less than appealing.)

"It's possible..." He glanced around as if to make sure there were no easily-visible hiding spots for cameras or microphones. Somehow, even that wasn't reassuring; they'd clearly found ways to record things that they never should have been able to see, let alone film. But... maybe the chances were a little lower than when surrounded by walls and bookshelves. This was the better - if not best - option for the discussion; and he didn't speak again until he felt confident of it.

"Guess it's the best we have, huh? Beggars and choosers..." he scoffed slightly at the grim truth of the matter. "You make any developments on the... project?"

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-08 08:15 pm UTC (link)
"I don't really know where to start," she admitted. "I don't know what we have to work with, to begin with. Obviously we have next to nothing right now, but when people receive their powers back ..." She spread her hands in a 'there you have it' sort of gesture. "I know we have witches of varying magics. I know we have people who can shoot. I don't know how much good that will do us since ... when do they expose themselves anymore?"

She did have to smile about that. Clearly, they could be taught ... now it was a matter of deciding which tricks to teach them.

Regarding him for a moment in the darkness, Isadora brushed her fingertips along Iridia's fur. "There's a girl here who can find things. I thought ... when their powers come back, we might ask her to see if there are any blind spots on the island. That might be a good place to start, as far as planning goes. Start things where they can't see them, make them curious." It may well make them cautious as well, but she wanted them to be curious enough to come investigate.

"Assuming there are blind spots, and assuming she can find them, that is. But no one's perfect. Not even these people. There have to be spots somewhere that they can't observe us as well ... where we can accomplish something without resorting to passing notes."

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-09 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Spike might have had some snarky remark or another in regards to Dora drawing him out there without knowing where to start... but he was just as lost. All they really knew was the desired outcome and the very basic elements of what they might be able to do. Beyond that, there was still much planning and problem-solving to be done. He supposed he didn't blame her for not accomplishing much since their last discussion regarding the trap.

"All we need is the right bait," he decided aloud, catching her smile. Somehow, he seemed to 'know' they were both on the same page in regards to luring the Heads out of hiding. Whether she was thinking bait, as well, he couldn't be certain; but she didn't seem to be defeated or discouraged by their stubbornness.

He focused on Dora's hand as she petted Iridia; from what he could tell, it looked as if she were touching a real, physical animal. For once, he actually felt satisfied that the panther was more than just a spiritual hologram... even if still untouchable by people other than Dora. That was a taboo he'd likely never understand, even if he had already opted not to go against it.

"If the powers come back," he muttered after a moment's thought. Part of his mind thought it would be too convenient if powers and weapons were returned - that the Heads were planning on keeping everyone unarmed. Another part of his mind thought that, even if the powers were returned, there was a chance that the girl who found things would be sent home. Returned. Murdered, if his suspicions were correct about the 'going home' excuse.

"It's a good idea," Spike admitted. Even if he did have his pessimistic doubts about the magic and powers returning, the idea itself was solid. Dora had a good plan, one that could work. "Can't imagine it'd take long for them to start faking notes, leading us in the wrong direction under the guise of alliance." And, he reasoned silently, if they could fake believable elements of a person's life - and gather evidence of the real ones - there was no hope of relying solely on the nuances of handwriting as proof of identity. These crazies were one step above the obvious... but, he hoped, two steps below the power of a well-laid trap.

"So we find the blind spots, then what? They'll see us when we leave, see anything we take with us." He laughed slightly at an unspoken thought, a musing as to whether she might know someone who specialized in invisibility or disguise. But there was another thought soon after, one which made him smirk...

"If they tried to set up new surveillance... we'd have them right where we want 'em."

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-09 02:05 pm UTC (link)
"I believe they'll ... unblock or return the powers to those who cannot currently use them. I believe the blades and other weapons will be returned." She couldn't say for certain whether she thought the guns would have ammunition or not. She thought maybe yes, but she could make some strong arguments for not, as well.

"They'll see us coming and going, yes. It's possible one of the magic users has a way to render objects invisible, or a way to move them without being seen doing so, if we can find a spot big enough to build the trap, whatever we decide on.

"If they did opt to try to set up a new method of observation, it's likely they'd have to come out," she agreed. Which was something she hadn't considered. One of them had to be curious, and bold enough to give into the curiosity.

Dora hesitated then, because it went against her nature to reveal things about herself. She lived in a world and operated within a system that made revealing her skills a very bad idea. When one is trying to destroy the religious government from the inside, it's very bad form to announce one's self as an assassin of sorts.

"They don't know us -- me -- as well as they think they do," she said in a lower voice. "Someone didn't do their homework very well. There are three plants currently in the garden that I can use to create a very potent poison. Innocuous on their own, but the chemical reaction of the three of them when combined properly is deadly," she explained. "I don't know what I can do with it yet, but the option is there, should we find cause to use it."

She kept her focus toward her lap, her shoulders slightly stiff at the confession, even now wondering if someone, somewhere, would find some way to twist that against her. "If they did know ... and left the plants there anyway ... more fools be they."

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-10 10:51 am UTC (link)
If Dora hadn't continued speaking, Spike may have pointed out how stupid the Heads would be to return powers and weapons. It was true, really; but he wasn't completely certain that they weren't stupid enough to make such an egregious mistake. They had been stupid enough to make one mistake... and at least one of them responded to provocation on the network. Even without weapons, maybe they'd underestimate the power of certain magics, return those they didn't realize could be used as weapons.

There were far too many ifs and maybes for Spike's liking, but he appreciated that the odds weren't completely against the captives. Very near to it, yes... but he liked to think that was beside the point.

For a moment, skepticism showed in his expression. He wanted very much to believe that Dora wasn't just being egotistical - that they really didn't know her as well as they thought - but he'd believed the same of himself, once. Then they'd plastered pieces of his past, most of them real, on the television screen. Maybe they still didn't understand his level of determination or just what kind of tricks he had up his sleeves (or in his skull), but they were definitely too close for comfort. Far too close.

Even so, Dora had something a little trickier to claim - something that easily turned his skepticism into a smug sort of smile.

"You make it hard to be a pessimist," he said, intentionally more monotone than such a statement should be presented. "Maybe you should go ahead and make some. Just... so it's there if we need it."

Spike saw no reason to miss the opportunity for a deadly weapon, poison or otherwise. Anything could be useful, especially when planning something which had the potential to get someone killed. Or electrocuted, if that was still the captors' preferred method of defense...

He saw the awkwardness in Dora's posture and chuckled slightly, shifting his weight so that it wasn't all on one arm. The action caused a slight hesitation, but he played it off as if caused by... anything other than pain. "They're overconfident," he decided. "They know we have guns, knives, and magic... they've seen us use 'em against Reavers. But they have no proof that your... skill... was underestimated." Of course, it was speculation at best; but it made sense in his mind.

Spike was quiet for a brief moment, considering whether he should say something personal in exchange for her offering. It wasn't that he didn't trust her by now, it was more a case of being hard-wired not to share secrets - especially those which revolve around strengths or weaknesses. Giving the Heads ideas wasn't exactly top on his list of things to do, either, should the shore prove to be bugged just as the rest of the island. So he decided against a personal revelation of his own and, instead, chose to redirect the conversation.

"Have you brought anyone else into the plan?"

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-10 01:41 pm UTC (link)
"I was going to," she admitted. "I just have to figure out what I can use to make it in." She was accustomed to having proper tools and flasks and glassware. Here ... she had none of that, so she'd have to improvise. Improvisation, however, might taint the poison and make it ineffective, but she supposed she'd see. She'd do the best she could given what she had, and ... go from there.

"I haven't told anyone else, no," she admitted. She wasn't close enough to anyone else to even dare suggesting such things. Spike, she knew, was firmly on the 'get the hell out of here' side of things, and had the same sort of mindset that she did. She couldn't say the same about any of the others. "Do you ... know anyone else that might want in on it?"

Maybe he'd met more people than she had. Maybe he knew others, was aware of other powers floating around they could use.

She stroked Iridia's head slowly, relaxing as they drifted away from discussion of her particular skill set. She'd do what she could about the poison ... carefully. Then she'd see where that led them.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-11 03:21 pm UTC (link)
Spike wasn't accustomed to poisons or other such indirect methods of killing enemies, so he just took her word on it. He didn't think it made much sense to need a special container just to mix the ingredients in, but she was the expert. Or maybe he just wasn't concerned much about the how or why, so long as she tried to make the poison. Even better if it worked.

He chuckled when she returned the question, skewing his posture just enough to emulate a shrug. "I know people," he said, seeming to trail off rather than definitively end the sentence. There were people, yes; but some of them were more trustworthy than others... and not all of them shared the same take on 'necessary evils' or doing whatever it took to get off the island - perhaps even enact a little revenge, as well.

"Faye... was part of my crew, back home. She's... an acquired taste. She might want in on it." A small hint of amusement crossed his expression as he thought about Faye, stifling the urge to mention that all things of importance or value should be kept out of her reach. He'd break her pretty, little hands if she screwed this up; and it wasn't as if she had anywhere to run to if she did develop sticky fingers. "Just don't count on it; she's a lazy shrew." And Spike was, apparently, incapable of making an entire statement about Faye which didn't involve a direct insult.

"If we need an extra gun, there's Jayne. And... River might be interested. I doubt she'd interfere, if not." He had a gut feeling that River would be interested at least on the same level that he was, perhaps even just for the sake of curiosity. He still didn't know much about the girl, but he liked her. They seemed to speak the same language - in a philosophical sense - even if he was the more-fatalistic half of the pair.

So that just left Parker, Ed, Jaime, and Lily. He really didn't want to bring the younger three onto the Heads' bad side (any more than they already were), and Parker... That was a tough issue. He knew she wanted to feel useful, knew that she could even be of use in 'raiding' for supplies if they were to cater to her specialties, but... Well, looking at her was like being next to Julia again - in a way that made him want to protect her yet avoid looking at her all the same.

"Maybe some others," he muttered after a nearly-awkward pause. Better to just be vague than to get into the messy details of how certain people were eligible yet he had qualms about telling them of the plan. "Or we could do it alone."

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-11 03:39 pm UTC (link)
Isadora tried to honestly assess the odds of them managing anything alone, and decided they'd probably need at least one or two extra hands. Some of the names she knew; others, she only recognized from around the network with no real connection to who the people behind them were.

"Assuming you get your guns back and they have ammunition, I wouldn't say no to some extra firepower," she decided. Whether they went subtle or blatant, she wouldn't mind extra guns. If there was a chance to shoot the bastards, she was all for that.

Dora tried to think of people she knew that could be helpful, but she really hadn't gotten out much. So perhaps ... that should be her next agenda. Scouting. Subtly, of course, but ... she should get to know her allies.

"Are we aiming for an escape or a revenge?" she inquired. "May dictate the nature of the trap," she pointed out. "If all we care about is getting out, the motions would be different than if we wanted to lure them out to take them down as well," she elaborated. She was a little more interested in revenge than escape, personally -- she wanted freedom, yes, but she wanted home most of all.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-11 04:26 pm UTC (link)
Spike's expression darkened when she pointed out what he knew to be a possibility. He may never get his gun back - or, if he did, it might be returned without ammo. Then, what? He'd break someone's skull with it... just to make a point about crossing him. That was what he'd do.

"Revenge," he answered simply. He didn't really care about going home, not enough to consider forsaking revenge to find an opportunity. And while escape appealed to his need for freedom, the situation had long since become personal enough that running wasn't an option. "Escape can happen later... Play it right, bite hard enough, and we could coax 'em into sending us home... Or killing us."

As always, Spike didn't seem concerned with the prospect of getting himself killed in the process. However, just behind the apathy in his tone lingered something... uncertain. His life was one thing, but his allies' lives were another - even if he wouldn't willingly admit such a thing aloud.

"We could make them think our goal is escape," he added with a slight smirk. It was partly the means of expressing an interesting thought and partly a means of pushing the topic in a better direction.

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-11 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Dora wasn't surprised by his response, and the silent, rumbling laugh she felt course through Iridia was indication enough that he wasn't, either. She would help -- and enjoy it -- if revenge was on the agenda.

She wondered how many of the others would disagree on basis of their personal morals. Then wondered if she cared. No one was being forced into this after all.

If they could find some subtle way to put out a call for volunteers ... and do so undetected. She didn't think the opportunity would be there when the line was returned ... and she doubted they had time to do it properly before then.

"I'd rather not get myself killed if I can avoid it," she replied with a little smirk. Dora had never been into self-sacrifice. Sacrificing others for the greater good, however ... she had few qualms with that.

"It's possible," she agreed thoughtfully. "If we can get enough people together to make a convincing show of an escape attempt ... we could use that to our advantage." If they could find blind spots to hide in ... all the better.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-12 02:59 pm UTC (link)
"You can't avoid it," Spike said flatly, looking toward the waves yet seeming not to focus on anything in particular. "No matter what happens, everyone here now... can't survive. Some of us will die fighting, others... will overstay their welcome. Nothing says they'll kill us - you or me. I'm not certain they can... in proper circumstances. But they can pick off the others, blame us... let us feel responsible for a few lost lives. Or they can keep going as usual, and whatever they throw at us will cull the herd, anyway."

They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Why bother letting self-preservation get in the way when the end result was likely to be the same, regardless? It seemed a little pointless to Spike... although he wouldn't just lay down his life and let that be the end of it all. He wouldn't willingly be killed, wouldn't sacrifice himself; but he also wouldn't avoid walking into the metaphorical (or even literal) line of fire to reach whatever goal he had in mind. And if he had to push those he didn't have close ties with into that line of fire, as well? So be it. As long as they weren't children, though he'd never admit to that stipulation...

"Or we could stalk the shadows of a real attempt," he joked - albeit making it difficult to tell that it wasn't a serious suggestion. There was a short pause before he shook his head, offering a dry and half-hearted sort of laugh as he returned his gaze to Dora. "If we find a blind spot, we could play the trap off as a method of crossing."

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-12 06:04 pm UTC (link)
She supposed that was true enough. No one was getting out of here alive, she was fairly certain. But why not? If they erased the memories gained here, why not simply replant the person into their home environment and continue the observations there? They clearly had access to things of that nature. Perhaps there was a control group that would be "released back to the wild" and Isadora smirked at the thought.

"Suppose if there was ever another attack ... there might be a few more casualties," she admitted. "Or near-misses," she added with a pointed look softened by a smile. "Though I suppose saying if is optimistic, isn't it?" They'd set a precedent, and ... there it was. It likely wouldn't be reavers; they'd seen how that had gone. But something else, from someone else's reality. Dora tried to think if there was anything or anyone in hers they might use, but ... aside from perhaps setting a band of ice bears on them ...

... what if they did? Dora shuddered slightly at the thought. Intelligent bears who could breach the perimeters, who might not be deterred by wards -- because they'd seen how well that had kept the reavers out. Bears with snapping jaws and killing claws. She felt suddenly sick, wondering if perhaps it was listed somewhere in the experimental line-up.

She supposed it was too early to start guessing at a pattern that might not exist. Because there were people here familiar with reavers didn't mean at all that each attack -- assuming there would be more -- would be run that way. All the same, she was uneasy and it was reflected in her eyes. Still, those were assumptions, based on nothing but one instance and an idea of how their captors seemed to operate.

Inhaling, she turned her attention back to the present, aware that Spike had spoken but unaware of what he'd said. "Sorry ..." she apologized. "I ... was lost in my thoughts. Use what as a method of crossing?"

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-12 07:53 pm UTC (link)
"And I'll be among them," Spike said with a scoff. He didn't plan to avoid an attack unless completely unarmed against extremely dangerous creatures (or people); and he doubted he'd be lucky enough to come out unscathed, either way. Another near-miss, a casualty... One of those would likely apply to him. Secretly, he hoped for a near miss.

Though it would have been easy to point out that there was a fine line between optimism and stupidity, Spike thought better of it and just kept his gaze focused on nothing in particular. It was possible that there wouldn't be another attack, sure. In fact, the Heads seemed to thrive on the concept of disproving what appeared to be established patterns and morals. But that would likely only translate to a different kind of attack or a different form of opposition. To truly be given peace was an option he couldn't fathom existing. Maybe he didn't even want that option, since the 'down time' was rather boring for someone who didn't appreciate video games or excessive social networking.

"Huh?" Dora's confusion caught Spike off-guard. He turned his attention toward her and considered what he'd said. As far as he knew, he'd been fairly clear about everything, so he assumed she'd not been paying attention. He wondered what she'd been thinking, but didn't feel like asking.

"Oh, right... The trap," he clarified. "If done right, it could look like we're trying to develop a method of crossing the line. Then we could use it as part of the disguise."

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-12 11:06 pm UTC (link)
She nodded slightly. "I imagine some people would do so legitimately. Perhaps would could use that." But then ... perhaps not. Most everyone here seemed fairly complacent and she doubted anyone would start up an effort to cross the line. Not without some encouragement, and that had never been her strong suit. Persuasion, yes, but she wasn't certain it could be bent in that direction at this point.

"But perhaps not. I can't imagine people are too intent on escape at this juncture." Newcomers, perhaps, but not the ones who had already been here for a while. But then ... perhaps some of them were simply biding their time, as she was. Waiting for an opportunity with more promise of success.

Perhaps it could be done. Or arranged.

She tipped her head back and exhaled. Without knowing what they had to work with, she wasn't sure they could really make any progress at this point. But it was the only time, really, that she thought they even had a chance of speaking freely.

"There are too many variables," she murmured. "Too many if-thens, too many instances of things hinging on matters beyond our knowledge or control. But I hate to ... not try," she continued. "If we knew where to start, we could know what to build, and from there, how to proceed.

"What I'd really like to do is ... get into where they are, figure out how they control things up here, and ... change it around. Give everyone their full powers back, and see how they hold up to that."

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-14 09:27 am UTC (link)
"I'll never understand," Spike muttered, skewing his expression with confusion. "They throw Reavers at us, fuck with our minds, and invade our privacy... but still some would rather pretend there's hope of going home if we just sit back and take it." He laughed - a hollow, humorless sort of sound - and laid back, curling his left arm behind his neck as a makeshift pillow. "I wouldn't be surprised if some of 'em think complacency will gain mercy." A slight scoff, which sounded like a lesser version of the hollow laugh, escaped him. "Even if it does... mercy is a fragile concept. It expires."

The sky was a nice distraction, though an undoubtedly fake one. Stars were familiar, unlike everything else on the island; and it was easy enough to just avoid looking at the mock-up of Earth's moon. Sometimes, he wondered if he really did miss home - or, at the very least, the idea of home. Sure, revenge was paramount and escape followed on its heels. Did that mean he didn't care about home? He wasn't sure.

Jet was all alone now, and that bothered him (though he would deny it). Annie was either dead or soon to be dead, and there was nothing he could do to avenge or protect her. Was that reason enough to want to go home? For many people, it might have been; but for Spike... Well, he just wasn't certain. All he truly wanted was to even the score and get the hell out out of this place, even if that meant never seeing home again. It wouldn't be the first time he turned his back on the closest thing he had to a family in order to start a new life...

"They wouldn't last ten minutes." Spike didn't bother sitting up or turning his gaze away from the sky, but there was a hint of smugness in his expression as if he expected her to see. "If we catch an important one... There are methods of extracting information. Maybe we could find a way into their... control room. Or whatever they use. Turn the tables and make them squeal for once.

"Either way, it's worth trying. We'll never meet stable circumstances out here, so there's no point to trying. Just accept that nothing is set in stone and work around it: that's all we can do."

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-14 02:00 pm UTC (link)
"It's how some of them cope," she said. "They want to catch the carrot, to get to the light at the end of the tunnel. Doesn't matter that the carrot's laced with arsenic and the light is really a train. It's the illusion and it keeps them sane." She supposed she still harbored some hope; it was human nature. But she was also a realist. She knew she was never going home, so the best she could hope for was an escape and a crippled half-life in a world where no one but her had a dæmon.

Better a half-life than none at all.

She stroked Iridia's head gently, hearing him sigh in response to what he sensed of her thoughts. She felt for him, truly, and of course felt for herself. It wasn't self pity, exactly, but it was close enough.

"It would be nice," she admitted. "To catch someone of interest to them." Unlikely as anything, and she thought they both knew it ... but it would be nice all the same. But they were human. They could slip. If they could make the trap intriguing enough, their captors might be a little more curious than cautious, and they might be able to get something accomplished.

The idea of getting into their stronghold was an appealing one. She wouldn't know how to work things in there -- likely none of them would. But if they couldn't make it work, they could destroy it and perhaps accomplish the same thing.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-15 08:57 pm UTC (link)
"Arsenic carrots are always the best," Spike said, the vague hints of a laugh escaping with a frustrated sigh. On a certain level, he understood the concept of false hope. Where he chose to accept that life itself was a dream, others had to turn it into a dream of their own creation - a hallucination which protected their sanity. The motives were the same in the end, a method for gaining comfort among unpleasant circumstances. Dora had a point, though he'd long since accepted that she usually did. She was a smart woman.

Closing his eyes, Spike smiled. It wasn't necessarily a happy sort of expression or even one of amusement; it was some strange mixture of both with slight, sinister undertones. He knew how unlikely it was that they'd catch someone important enough to lead to the fulfillment of the unlikely goal, but it was something to consider. Sometimes, the unlikely happened. They might just get lucky. And if they didn't... well, there was always trying again. Unless they were all killed. But it wouldn't much matter, then. Would it?

He could almost see the situation playing out in his mind. His personal take on the Heads' stronghold was something between the secure rooms in the Red Dragons' headquarters and a medical lab... and his personal version of breaching security involved guns and grenades and ass-kicking. Spike wondered if Dora really did know how to wield a gun, and if she'd really look as powerful doing so as she did in his mind. Not that he would ever admit to having such thoughts.

"They may not be here," he speculated after some more thought on the topic. "If we're from different worlds... Why can't they be?" He paused briefly, half-opening one eye to cast a sideways glance at Dora. "What if we're all dead? We're just ghosts, trapped between planes, tormented by the twisted souls who escaped Hell..."

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-15 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Vague amusement crossed her features at his quip, and she shifted slightly. The ground was no where near as comfortable as the library, and she nearly made a face at her own thoughts.

Isadora was content to remain silent, to entertain her own thoughts as he was apparently entertaining his. When he spoke again, she shook her head. It was a very good point. Maybe they weren't here. Maybe they used the same means of transport that they'd used to get them here, but ....

"I think it would be too much effort," she murmured. "They're here, somewhere. Under the ground, perhaps even under the water, but ... they're here."

For all she knew, they were in the next reality and had a way to cross between them easily. What did she know, really, of the reach of their extensive knowledge? If they could violate worlds and breach boundaries of time and space, why couldn't they be the next reality over?

She preferred to think they were nearby though. It made the idea of escape and revenge a more achievable goal.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-15 10:11 pm UTC (link)
"So we were abducted by humanoid fish. Makes sense," Spike said with utmost nonchalance. In truth, he wouldn't be surprised if they had some sort of secret hideout underwater; maybe they'd stolen technology from another world in order to make such a feat happen. It was possible, but he would never get used to the feeling that such thoughts were completely logical. Separate worlds, time travel... Crazy. This whole place was crazy. And disturbingly real.

He closed his eyes again and made a slight gesture toward the water. "They may be out there," he agreed. "It's beyond the line, hidden away..." There really wasn't any need to finish the statement, and he didn't feel like searching for the words to do so. The gist of it was there. He did wonder, however, if there would be surveillance around their hideout - should it actually be underwater or even just underground. If there was, it could mean the current conversation wasn't half as private as he and Dora assumed. That wasn't exactly a pleasant thought, to say the least.

Spike didn't quite realize he was doing it, but he slipped into thought - and something dangerously close to falling asleep, though he remained aware of his surroundings - without doing much to further the conversation. He couldn't think of what to ask or say next, because - as Dora had pointed out already - there were far too many variables. Was there really much plotting that could be done until things were set in motion? Even so, he appreciated the allusion of privacy out here. He appreciated having someone intelligent and trustworthy to discuss plans of revenge with. Maybe he even enjoyed it. Maybe.

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-15 10:21 pm UTC (link)
She laughed softly, and if she'd thought for a moment he'd been serious, she would have corrected his assumption. However, she was sure enough he was teasing, and she appreciated the lightening of the mood, however small the attempt.

But maybe that was why the line was there to begin with. To keep people from stumbling onto where they were hiding. And why their powers were stripped before the line was taken away -- in case they did manage to find it. She'd explored the shoreline fairly well, but not really the spaces in between where the line had been and the water ... perhaps she'd do that over the next few days, before they put the line back and set all the traps back up.

Shifting slightly, she leaned back against Iridia as she extended one foot to poke at whatever bit of Spike was nearest. "If you fall asleep out here, I'm not waking you up when I head in," she playfully threatened him.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-16 09:10 am UTC (link)
Spike tried not to focus on any one thought, instead letting his mind wander. He would love to make connections previously unseen between the events on the island, but no such connections arose. In fact, his thoughts drifted for a moment toward the last time he'd slept under the stars.

It was on Alba City, Mars, back then - not some prison of an island with a fake moon - but the circumstances had been no more desirable. And, thanks to the special programming tossed around, it was likely that several people knew just what had landed him there. Not that anyone could easily gather that he hadn't died.

Somehow, that amused Spike: people thinking he was back from the dead. They might as well, since he usually thought the same. With or without the 'back from' bit, depending on his mood.

When he felt the nudge, he once again peered at Dora through a half-opened eye. If he didn't know any better, he might have considered the possibility that she was flirting. No... Actually, he did consider it; he just chose to ignore the thought beyond a slight smile. "That's your choice," he said, chuckling lightly. "But if the evil fish drag me under, it's on you."

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-16 02:15 pm UTC (link)
"We have evil fish now? Suppose I should take my cat and go then," she quipped. It seemed truth enough though; grand though her plan had been, they were at something of an impasse until they could figure out what everyone could do.

Well, no. Not what everyone could do ... but what the people who were willing to make a stand were able to do. It was a daunting task, but she was patient. She could listen, drop inquiries here and there, and see if she could judge her allies from those who were content enough to remain here.

Rising slowly, she peered down toward Spike. It was getting chilly out here -- perhaps the absence of the giant lightbulb had some effect -- and if they were done talking, she was going to find somewhere more comfortable.

"Shall I wait and walk you in so the fishes don't get you, or do you think you'll want to take your chances?" For all she knew, he wanted to think more -- or fall asleep out here. And who was she to protest that?

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-17 10:44 am UTC (link)
"Every imaginary world has evil fish," Spike clarified - however false the statement may have been. "There's an old legend about 'em... they eat cats. Or maybe cats eat them. I never could remember it right."

He finally opened both eyes fully, turning his head to get a good look in Iridia's direction. Mostly, he was curious to see the panther's reaction; but he also wondered if Iridia could even understand human speech. He'd generally only seen indifference and boredom aside from that one incident of nearly touching the cat - and even that had nothing to do with anything spoken. Ein had often seemed smart enough to get the gist of what people meant, so it stood to reason that a 'demon' animal could be just as intelligent. Not that reason was a requirement in this place.

Spike hadn't really noticed that it was getting chilly, but his choice of attire was likely to blame. He looked up to Dora, offering an expression somewhere between stubbornness and amusement.

"Are you saying I'm no match for evil fish?" he asked, arching an eyebrow. "One fish is only equal to one tenth of a Reaver." Never mind that evil fish were (presumably) not real and he'd have been Reaver Chow (or at least would have bled to death) if not for Jayne's assistance. And even if those technicalities didn't exist, the ground was far from comfortable. The man who was used to sleeping on old sofas, in chairs, and anywhere he happened to be was slowly becoming spoiled to the comfort of an actual mattress; but he preferred not to mention something so ridiculous.

"With my luck, there's a few hundred out there," he excused with a laugh. What did the real reason matter? (Did he even know the real reason for wanting to go back indoors? Was Dora's company really that intriguing?) Spike used the weight of his legs to 'kick' himself back into a standing position... and promptly pretended there wasn't still some residual pain in several of the muscles used for the show-off action. He stretched a bit, having learned by now how far was too far, then turned to face Dora.

"Back to the land of spy cameras and gun thieves... It just doesn't get any better than this, does it?"

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-17 04:02 pm UTC (link)
"So now we're living in an imaginary world?" she replied with a soft smile. She glanced to Iridia as he snorted, presumably at the part about cats being eaten by fish.

"Perhaps on land you're a match for them," she said. "But in the water, I'm not so sure." The joke was amusing enough, and she was content to carry it for a bit. It was something to take her mind off the frustrations of not actually being able to work out a suitable trap yet. If they had only themselves to rely on, they might not have a chance of success. It didn't mean she was going to stop trying, of course, but it was a little daunting. Still, if she could suss out what everyone else could do, they could formulate better plans, and see if people would go along with those, if they ever had an opportunity to enact them.

She winced inwardly when he got to his feet like he did. Surely he was a bit too injured still for that to be completely comfortable? No matter how fast he healed? But she wasn't inclined to remark on it if he wasn't going to bring it up ... and it didn't look like he was going to.

"Mmm. My idea of heaven," she replied dryly as she turned away to begin walking back. For a moment she thought they should separate, come back from different directions, but since she had no idea where the cameras actually were, it would likely be a wasted effort. So she didn't voice it, but continued to walk along the barren earth toward the hotel.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-18 03:27 pm UTC (link)
"It's possible," he speculated. And, really, what wasn't possible on the island? Once he'd grown familiar with the concept of different realities, worlds, abilities... Well, it was difficult to just draw the line between real and imaginary. Reality was relative. Far too relative.

Spike wasn't certain, but he thought Iridia may have snorted in response to his remark about cat-eating fish. Maybe he was reading too much into the simple gesture; but, then again, maybe he wasn't. If nothing else, he filed the observation away with the rest of the information he'd gathered about 'demons,' perhaps for use in a future discussion. The topic was still one which intrigued him on a philosophical level. But it was a topic to be discussed at another time, in another place; it didn't seem as if either of them were too keen on deeper conversation at the moment.

Instead, the focus seemed to be the long-running joke about fish - a joke which, he had to admit, was a nice distraction from the usual frustrations. He smiled at Dora's observation, shaking his head slightly. "Provided I don't drown..." There was a pause as he pretended to consider his chances of beating the imaginary, evil fish. "You may still have a point. Never did learn how to fight in water." Moving like water was easy. Moving in it, however, was an entirely different matter. He'd never had many good experiences with bodies of water, especially when injury and conflict where involved.

"Pure bliss, huh?" Spike shoved his hands into his pockets and settled just a step or two behind Dora. "Maybe we should ask to stay here forever." The wicked little grin he offered was likely a sign that he was far from serious; but even he wasn't certain whether the sarcasm was for the sake of it or a cover for the surveillance. Maybe it was both.

After only a short while, he glanced over to her with a tired expression - part genuine, part faked. "You had to pick a place so far from the hotel, didn't you?"

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-18 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Dora made a slight sound that may have been dismissal or agreement in regard to their 'imaginary world' situation. It felt real enough to her, and she supposed that was the one bit that mattered. Imaginary or not, what they were doing was real enough.

"Or aren't caught by some water trap," she quipped as they walked along. "Assuming the fish don't eat you first," she amended with a grin. The trap part was ... real enough though, wasn't it? Mr. Collins had worked that one out for them a couple of nights ago. She wasn't surprised. Not really.

She chuckled softly. "Ah yes. Every girl's dream. To be trapped on a barren island where she's the only one with a visible soul," Dora quipped. Her tone was light enough, but the bitterness beneath it was detectable enough.

Smirking slightly, she shrugged. "I wanted to increase our chances of having a conversation without being overheard," she replied. "Next time, I'll choose somewhere closer," she replied. She knew it was a way out, really, but she'd rather be overly cautious than overheard. Not that distance was any sort of guarantee, but she hoped it was.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-20 08:41 am UTC (link)
Water traps. Right. Spike had forgotten about those, but he'd seen the network post and Faye's less-than-considerate interaction with the trapped boy. Chase, wasn't it? He stifled a laugh and shook his head, obviously only pretending to be worried. "Forgot about those," he said. "That changes everything."

Or maybe it didn't, but for the purposes of the running joke, the statement worked well enough.

When Dora jested about loving the island, he noticed the hint of bitterness in her tone. But what could he say about it, without risking letting the Heads hear the revelation? Nothing worth saying, really. Nothing that would make much sense. So he just reached over and, assuming she didn't move away or protest, placed a hand on her back.

"Hey," Spike said, careful to keep his tone joking for the sake of appearances, "at least you know you have a soul. I'm still debating that one for myself." He moved his hand shortly after finishing the sentence, but it was a significant gesture nonetheless... more than he'd usually feel comfortable doing. And, though he'd passed the statement off as a joke, it was truer than he'd ever admit under surveillance.

Dora's reasoning for dragging him out so far made sense, and - in all honesty - Spike didn't mind. He just felt a little tired, was all. "Don't worry about it," he said with a slight smile. "I think I'll survive. This time."

He didn't really know what else to say, though. It was difficult to go from a discreet conversation to one that was undoubtedly being spied upon, so he hoped Dora would have something to say. Or, at least, that the silence wouldn't be of the awkward sort. Spike just wasn't the sort to fill in the gaps when there was a natural lull in conversation.

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-20 02:10 pm UTC (link)
She doubted Spike would have noticed since the panther was on the other side of her, hidden by her body and her skirts, but Iridia lifted his lip slightly at the touch to Isadora's back. Dora soothed her dæmon with a gentle stroke to his head. It was easy enough to understand his reaction. Spike had no dæmon, and therefore Iridia had no one to nuzzle in response. This, she supposed, was the half-life they'd have to learn to accept.

"I'm quite sure you do," she replied to his statement about his soul. "I've heard of those without and while an argument could be made for your case, I think you're safe." She nudged him lightly with one elbow as they walked in.

It wasn't much further, though the closer they got, the less inclined she was to talk for fear of letting something slip inadvertently. She hoped he'd understand the silence and the approaching parting of ways. No sense in discussing their conversation where they'd be observed once more.

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[info]lunkhead
2010-09-23 10:01 am UTC (link)
"But you can't be sure," Spike jokingly protested, pretending not to notice the little elbow-nudge. "Until it grows fur and decides to show itself, there's no proof I have a soul."

Honestly, he didn't so much doubt whether he had a soul. He doubted... that it made a difference. He wasn't exactly Mister Morality or anything of that sort, so he was no stranger to being accused of soulless existence. And he wasn't completely certain he was alive enough to have a soul that mattered; but that uncertainty had been a problem for three years, now. It had nothing to do with the island. At least not exclusively. None of that would be mentioned away from the relative privacy of the shore, though. So maybe it didn't matter at all.

When they were finally at the hotel, Spike offered a simple glance and a small smile toward Dora. There wasn't much to be said, considering 'I really enjoyed our secret plotting and hope we can do something similar again soon' wasn't appropriate (or, for that matter, something he would say even without being watched by the Heads). Instead, he settled for a simple procession into the parting of ways.

"Take care of yourself," he said, moving away from Dora as he did. "You should try that 'sleeping' thing. I hear it's good for you... or something."

He, however, was heading for the kitchen instead of his room. (After that little stunt he'd pulled to get off the ground, he was a little too residually sore to be interested in laying down.) Hopefully there were some of those weird fruit pie things in the pantry; even if they didn't quite taste like real pie, they were slightly addictive.

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[info]poison_and_fire
2010-09-23 02:03 pm UTC (link)
"Or feathers, or a carapace, or scales," she murmured with a little smile. She wondered what his would be, honestly, and wouldn't have been surprised if he was some sort of serpent.

Once they were inside, she lifted her brows in slight amusement when he veered toward the kitchen rather than the elevators or the stairs. She did briefly think about pointing out some hypocrisy -- telling her to sleep while he did not -- but decided it wasn't worth the joke.

"You, too," she replied instead and started with Iridia toward the stairs. She felt vaguely disappointed, but only because she'd (unrealistically) had grand plans of ... well, concocting some sort of revenge they could start carrying out tonight.

Clearly, this plotting a trap thing was going to require a bit more work. But that was fine, wasn't it? All they had was time; it wasn't like either of them was going anywhere.

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