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Tweak says, "you ist a bad boy"

Alexander Murphy is (predacious) wrote in doors,
@ 2014-03-10 22:22:00

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Jude M
Locking three of your family members in a basement would be considered kidnapping, would it not?

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	tipofthehat 2014-03-11 03:20 am UTC (link)
	That all depends on your reasoning. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-11 03:25 am UTC (link)
	"For their own good." (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-11 03:43 am UTC (link)
	I suspect that it would only be helpful if we find a barrier to put in between them. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-11 03:50 am UTC (link)
	Have we had this conversation before? It feels like we have. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-11 02:02 pm UTC (link)
	They've clashed in the past. I doubt Clementine will agree to that. She is certain the two of you mean her harm. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 01:10 am UTC (link)
	[Clementine?] I wasn't speaking about either of our two sisters. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-12 02:51 am UTC (link)
	I jumped there from family members. Who has stashed away three of their family members? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 02:53 am UTC (link)
	Why would Clementine be sure we meant to do her harm if she did nothing wrong? Are you finally dropping that pretense? [...] They haven't yet as far as I can tell, but locking three family members in the basement is surely a case for kidnapping. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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tipofthehat
2014-03-12 02:58 am UTC (link)

No, I assumed you two would blame her regardless of who was the actual culprit.

Hm. There are a variety of kidnapping laws, not dissimilar from murder. In Nevada, first degree kidnapping is when someone willfully seizes, confines, abducts, or entices with the motive to hold them for ransom or for death/assault. It's absolutely first degree if one of them is a minor. Unless they intend to harm their family members, it will most likely fall under second degree.

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	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 03:02 am UTC (link)
	Your dedication to family is admirable but your continual lying for her is making me trust you less and less. Grand. Are they both felonies? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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tipofthehat
2014-03-12 03:07 am UTC (link)

I partly became a lawyer so I could protect this family, Alexander. I would do the same for any of you.

Yes. A defense could be made for if the kidnapped members were consenting adults, if it was unintentional kidnapping in the heat of the moment, and they weren't sufficiently moved far enough. Across state lines is serious, but in a case like this, they're more likely to be lenient if they were dealing with a bickering family. It also depends on if the family members will press charges and how serious they are about it.

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	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 03:15 am UTC (link)
	This isn't court, it's family. One is a lot more likely to be lenient than the other. No, this has been plotted, no spur of the moment thing here. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-12 03:17 am UTC (link)
	I know, I'm hoping that leniency will pay off. First degree is a type A felony, second is type B. Both can lead to jail time, depending on the amount of people, their ages, whether there was weapons or force involved, who wants to press charges, etc. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 03:31 am UTC (link)
	In Medieval times, traitors were drawn, hanged, beheaded, disemboweled and quartered. Anything short of that is quite lenient. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-12 03:50 am UTC (link)
	And you wonder why I assume you mean her harm. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 03:58 am UTC (link)
	No. I wonder why you'd choose her over those of us that have never betrayed our family. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-12 04:01 am UTC (link)
	I'm not choosing anyone. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 04:06 am UTC (link)
	Not like Clementine, who decided to throw in her fate with a pack of dogs too stupid to find their way out of a paper bag. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-12 01:10 pm UTC (link)
	She didn't choose them, she thought it would end the war between us. Which was undeniably stupid and I've said as much. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-12 09:47 pm UTC (link)
	You don't think she's chosen? That she hasn't chosen to make her own peace with them and to save herself? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-12 09:48 pm UTC (link)
	~~It's crossed my mind~~ No, absolutely not. She got into this for the wrong reasons so it's not terribly surprising she makes a mess of it later on. She thought it was as simple as killing the girl and then Chloe gets Neil. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-13 12:07 am UTC (link)
	[After this mess.] I need you to get Chloe under control, Alexander. She's been leaving her security, hiding in different locations, now she says she's going somewhere without us. I certainly can't control her. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-13 01:10 am UTC (link)
	She's a free woman, Jude. I'll talk to her, but she isn't nearly the threat that Clementine is. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-13 01:10 am UTC (link)
	Clementine is not a threat. She has her Supergirl under control now. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M predacious 2014-03-13 02:38 am UTC (link)
	Stop feeding me that line of bloody horse shit. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Alexander M/Jude M tipofthehat 2014-03-13 03:42 am UTC (link)
	You're my brother, Alex. I've looked up to you as far back as I can remember. But we hurt strangers and people less than us, not family. (Reply to this) (Parent)