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cyberghostface (cyberghostface) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-07-23 13:16:00

Entry tags:

char: dr. octopus/otto octavius, char: mary jane watson, char: may parker, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: john romita jr., title: amazing spider-man

Some pages from Amazing Spider-Man #600

First off, here's the new look for Doctor Octopus. What a mess. I'm not going to post the rest, but apparently Ock is dying from a combination of the radiation in his initial accident and a life of getting knocked in the head by superpowered beings when he's not superhuman himself, wants to go out with a bang, etc...you know the drill by now.

...and the final pages after the wedding between Aunt May and Gary Stu Jameson....

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	qob 2009-07-23 05:38 pm UTC (link)
	geeze who hit MJ with an ugly stick? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	greenmask 2009-07-23 07:20 pm UTC (link)
	The 80s, it looks like. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

superfan1, 2009-07-24 03:08 am UTC

	statham1986 2009-07-23 07:42 pm UTC (link)
	To me, it looks more like Romita jr and Slott hit her with the 'drunken stick'. Then the 'pink' one. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fredneil.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 07:52 pm UTC (link)
	I think she's pretty much in line with everyone else, at the same level of attractiveness that a normal person would have. Compare Peter here to the way he was drawn from the late sixties through the early eighties, when, never mind spider powers, any guy who looked like that could regularly get women who looked like Gwen and Mary Jane. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	scottyquick 2009-07-24 12:12 am UTC (link)
	What are you talking about? She looks gorgeous. (Reply to this) (Parent)

jlbarnett, 2009-07-24 12:21 am UTC

	mullon 2009-07-23 05:38 pm UTC (link)
	Is she drunk? (Reply to this)

	sandoz_iscariot 2009-07-23 05:40 pm UTC (link)
	"Anna Watson, what have you done?!" Anna must have picked out MJ's dress. Blegh. As much as I love MJ, I'm kinda dreading what the BND brain trust has in store for her. And JJJ Sr. didn't die? Well, I am genuinely surprised. (Reply to this) (Thread)

espanolbot, 2009-07-23 05:44 pm UTC

	neuhallidae 2009-07-23 05:43 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, does the artist hate her? Bad dress, bad makeup, and she looks at least fifteen years older. (Reply to this) (Thread)

espanolbot, 2009-07-23 05:45 pm UTC

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	404glitch 2009-07-23 05:49 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I get it; that's funny because she and Peter gave up their marriage to save May. Marvel, you so crazy. (Reply to this)

	toasty_fresh 2009-07-23 06:33 pm UTC (link)
	Lol what is up with the totally random placing of that huge-ass bow on her dress? Also, she looks like a drag queen. (Reply to this)

	evilsneak 2009-07-23 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	Who did the art? It kinda looks like JRjr but uglified. (Reply to this) (Thread)

colonel_green, 2009-07-23 06:42 pm UTC

	darkknightjrk 2009-07-23 06:41 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, MJ has looked better. Which is odd, because JRJr usually draws her pretty well. And I love how that page assumes we're thinking of "Tiger" jokes, and not "Oh we fucking hate you so much Marvel" jokes. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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liarashadowsong
2009-07-23 07:10 pm UTC (link)

I love MJ. Which is why I'm extra upset that her return after the BND screw-up involves a dress that is completely hideous dress and drag-queen makeup. I mean, seriously, WTF? "Tiger" jokes, yeah right, try fuming over many (not all, there are a few small scenes I've seen that I was fond of) of the things that have happened since the gigundo retcon of DOOM!!!(TM). *sigh* I declare the MA-verse to be canon and 616 to be the AU, at least for the time being. Yep.

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	angelophile 2009-07-23 07:13 pm UTC (link)
	Forget MJ, what the heck did they do to Otto? (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	statham1986 2009-07-23 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	For fuck's sake, I'm getting sick and tired of Quesada and his Spidey Bland-Trust rubbing what they've taken away in our faces. We get it, you won, assholes. You didn't have to bring MJ back as a claw-fingered, pink clad freak. (Reply to this) (Thread)

box_in_the_box, 2009-07-23 09:26 pm UTC

	foxhack 2009-07-23 07:49 pm UTC (link)
	I know the rules prevent us from stating that we wish physical harm upon certain creators. BUT THEY DON'T PREVENT US FROM THINKING REALLY HARD ABOUT IT. Goddamnit. (Reply to this)

arilou_skiff
2009-07-23 08:37 pm UTC (link)

What?

Seriously, What?

There's nothing wrong with that. it's not *particularly* awesome (and the Doc Ock redesign reminds me of the mulians from RahXephon) but it's hardly worth the kind of vitriol people are putting out.

There's some minor complaints, but seriously, when people are complaining on irrelevant details of something they don't like, beacuse they don't like other parts of it, it's just getting annoying.

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	brandiweed.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	Are Otto's arms and legs supposed to be artificial now too? He looks way too lanky. (Reply to this) (Thread)

zegim, 2009-07-24 04:59 am UTC

cygna_hime
2009-07-23 10:02 pm UTC (link)

So, I'm sure there's a reason why everyone in those last couple panels is acting like MJ has just done something horrible; it's not like she was ever friends with any of these people or anything, certainly she never could have possibly liked Aunt May and wanted to be there for her wedding, because that would imply that she could have relationships other than romantic ones and with people who are not Peter, and that she might possibly belong on her own merits at a big Spider-event, because that would imply that she has character traits rather than just being an evil harpy here to suck youth out of Peter. (And, seriously, if they're acting like she's done something horribly by showing up because Peter can't handle being in a room with his ex, then I'm in favor of her sucking at least enough youth out of him for him to have a modicum of emotional maturity.)

Also, as a redhead, I have to say that no redhead over the age of twelve should need to be told not to wear that outfit. Pink dress? Lipstick the color of your hair? Way, way, WAY too much eyeshadow? Man, I'd look better than that, and I'm faaaaaar less attractive. (I cannot help but notice that all the women seem to have the same damn long nails painted in shades of pink and red. Because that's what women's fingernails look like, oh wait, no.)

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	yaseen101 2009-07-23 11:09 pm UTC (link)
	Not happy, I wish they had kept MJ in limbo, I love the character too much to think what Marvel might do to her and this doesn't build up any confidence. (Reply to this)

Oh no you di-n't

oddpuppets
2009-07-24 01:42 am UTC (link)

I will only say this:

JRjr, when we first met Mary Jane, all those years ago, she was bangin'. I mean, all sorts of gorgeous. That era, for all its wacky sartorial tastes, knew how to make women hot mommas without even showing that much skin. Seriously, Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane around that time can even make a boy firmly raised up in the 90's get sweaty.

And instead you give us THIS? The bow - cute, but RANDOM placement. The dress? Uninspired. THE COLORING? Hideous. If Mary Jane Watson is coming to a wedding she's going to come back with a fuckin' Galactus-sized BANG, not some cutesy Disney-wannabe princess dress.

JRjr, I love your art, but....b**ch, please.

P.S. Quesada, you stop pokin' fun at us fans now, y'hear? We're paying your checkbook. Well, no, I'm not, seeing as the only book I'm actively looking at is AoA. But still, it's the principle.

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skalja
2009-07-24 01:02 pm UTC (link)

So does anyone else who read the entire issue feel it was ... mildly sexist? I mean, there was no single moment which made me go, "Oh my god, that's so inappropriate," but they just added up to leave a bad aftertaste.

- Spidey and Daredevil have a conversation about why they can never be honest with each other or it'll doom the women in their lives (and implicitly, why editorial "had" to undo the marriage and relegate Mary Jane to a bit character).
- Carly and Norah try their hands at detective work and end up as hostages.
- Spidey goes to the FF and Susan tells Johnny to go to "his friend," nevermind that Spidey was her friend just last issue.
- Johnny Storm makes a big deal out of rescuing the "girls" Spidey is friends with, blatantly flirting with them when they have other things on their minds, and of course Carly invites him to the wedding anyway.
- The whole drama of WHO WILL PETER GO WITH TO THE WEDDING - resolved by Peter going with his roommate Michelle, emphasized as his "platonic" friend. Forget them being "platonic," we've never even been shown them liking each other! And a big deal is made about how attractive everyone else at the wedding thinks she is.
- Every single woman at the wedding stampedes to catch the bouquet? Give me a fucking break, Slott. Even if we discount Norah for making an ironic statement, that's still completely ridiculous.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying Dan Slott himself is sexist, but I do suspect that there are some unspoken attitudes at play here. Maybe less so sometimes, like with Johnny Storm, who arguably is a sexist pig, but maybe sometimes more, like the scenes with Susan, Michelle, and to a lesser extent Carly that push the viewpoint that men and women can't be platonic friends. Not to mention all the silliness at the wedding.

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	addude 2009-07-25 02:30 am UTC (link)
	I hope the whole thing about spideys memmory and mj showing up means that marvel is one more daying one more day Also I am trying to Get One More Day to mean screw something up so much (Reply to this)

	mcity 2009-07-31 05:51 am UTC (link)
	...MJ looks stoned. (Reply to this)

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