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	pyrotwilight 2009-05-30 09:05 am UTC (link)
	Batwoman holding Supergirl is adorable. XD Ah Geers you rock. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-05-30 09:19 am UTC (link)
	Totally Fierce ! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fairyportfan 2009-10-17 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, i believe that that's the new Batwoman. Who is gay. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-10-18 04:55 am UTC (link)
	Indeed. Now read my statement again. XP It is very fundorable. (Reply to this) (Parent)

statham1986 2009-05-30 09:18 am UTC (link)

*sigh* One day I'll be as good an artist as JH Williams III. And then I'll stop crying myself to sleep every night. Okay.. Slight exagerration, there, but I love everything the man does. From Son of Superman up to his recent work on Seven Soldiers, his work's utterly, utterly fantastic. In fact, most of the art is pretty good here, with the top one really reminding me of Dustin Nguyen. The only one I don't really like is the black and white one with Bruce dismissing Cassandra, purely because it seems kind of like a childish knee-jerk reaction to the announcement that there was going to be a Batwoman. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	endis_ni 2009-05-30 03:50 pm UTC (link)
	I've adored JH Williams III since his astonishing work on Promethea. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ian_karkull 2009-05-30 10:08 am UTC (link)
	Way to be homophobic and overreact, cartoon. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	filkertom 2009-05-30 10:26 am UTC (link)
	Wordy McMotto. That one's actually pretty obnoxious. The pic of Babs in the chair and the Batgirl costume, on the other hand, has me almost sniffling. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	runespoor7 2009-05-30 12:21 pm UTC (link)
	This. Way to phail at feminism, too. "Oh, a character with two X chromosoms in a Bat outfit! Clearly she can only be intended as a replacement Batgirl!" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	batcookies 2009-05-30 03:33 pm UTC (link)
	That's precisely what happened. The cartoon is a reaction to OYL. Batgirl was canceled, Cassandra was no longer Batgirl, Batwoman's title was announced. It's hard to look at what happened and NOT go "so to have a new Bat-female we have to get rid of the old one?" (Reply to this) (Parent)

	batcookies 2009-05-30 03:30 pm UTC (link)
	Seems on the money at me. It's old, from OYL. Batgirl was canceled, Cassandra was no longer Batgirl, we got Batlesbian (because that's ALL SHE WAS at the time) in her place. If you take it as a recent cartoon it doesn't work, but if you realize it was made OYL... I don't see that as an overreaction at all. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

ian_karkull 2009-05-30 06:54 pm UTC (link)

That's precisely why I call it an overreaction. Kate vanished as quickly as she appeared, not to be spoken of again until recently, whereas Batgirl continued to appear in a bunch of other publications (though admittedly none of them very good), joined the Outsiders and eventually even got her own series' back (though again, not a very good one). This is the kind of knee-jerk fan reaction that serves no purposes other than to make very fan look bad. Also, it occurs to me that "Lezbo" seems to be one of the few hateful slurs you can still get away with without fear of recriminations, and that bothers me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

pepperspray101 2009-05-30 10:50 pm UTC (link)

~"Kate vanished as quickly as she appeared, not to be spoken of again until recently, whereas Batgirl continued to appear in a bunch of other publications (though admittedly none of them very good), joined the Outsiders and eventually even got her own series' back (though again, not a very good one)." You're looking at this retroactively. Majority of that happened over a year after OYL. The few appearances she did make, Cass was a villain. Like the other poster said, this was done in reaction to OYL. During OYL Cass became a villain. She wasn't the Bat female anymore. As for Batwoman, there continued to be talks of her series starting for several months. Nothing came of it. But as far as OYL goes, Cass was pretty much kicked out of the Batfamily while talks of the Batwoman series continued so the cartoon reflects that time from over two years ago. They didn't know what DC was going to end up doing with either Batwoman or Cass. Perhaps I'm used to Casstoons, but I figured this was mostly a parody. Don't parodies over-exaggerate things? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Exaggeration (Anonymous) 2009-05-31 02:06 am UTC (link)

I felt like saying "How soon they forget," This was an ealy casstoon reaction. It was rather annoying becaus the two people who had already been filling different aspects of the Batgirl roles (though only one was Batgirl) had been replaced in a remarkably crass way by a one note character. Lesbian being the sole defining characteristic. And yet the change could have been done so well and in character for everyone. (not that it would help much - see Ted Kord's Death. Okay - so the murderer (Maxwell Lord was OOC.) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	psychop_rex 2009-05-31 01:12 am UTC (link)
	I could be wrong, not being a lesbian myself, but I'd always thought 'lesbo' was a pretty mild term. I wouldn't even have called it a slur, except when it's used by bigots, but with them, EVERYTHING is a slur. The one time I've heard the term 'lesbo' used in popular culture, a lesbian was using it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

bluefall 2009-05-31 03:26 am UTC (link)

Hrm. Kind of a context thing. Somewhat like the word "girl" when used for a woman - a grown woman might say, wryly, "I'm a big girl, I can handle it," and that's fine, but if a man refers to her dismissively as "some girl" that's sexist. Similarly, my best friend will jokingly refer to me as "a big old lesbo," which is fine, but Batman using the word to categorize and dismiss a woman with whom he has no relationship is homophobic. Very mild, yes, bottom of the list of linguistic priorities. Not something I'd ever typically call out, personally. But still a slur - the innocuous use actually requires it to be, because the joke is playing on the expectations already attached to the word (as with the "big girl" example). (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

psychop_rex 2009-05-31 03:17 pm UTC (link)

I'm glad it's bottom of the list, because I've actually used it - not in person, I should hasten to point out, but in a comic strip I've been working on for a while. The two main characters of the strip are roommates, one of whom is a lesbian, and the other of whom has the somewhat obnoxious habit of teasing her about this. It's nothing beyond the boundaries of good taste, but one of the things I've been trying to do with the strip is to satirize things like racism, sexism and homophobia, and I was a little worried I'd gone too far. But from your description, it doesn't sound like I did, so thanks for clearing that up. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

bluefall 2009-05-31 04:34 pm UTC (link)

Heh. No, that actually sounds pretty fair and true-to-life. Just think of it as the emotional version of the arm-punch. If you punch a stranger in the arm, that's not cool - a punch is inherently an attack, and hurts, and that's not something you get to do to people you don't know. If you punch your best bud in the arm, though, that's a sign of affection (if you have that kind of relationship, at least) - a punch is still inherently an attack, the purpose of which is to cause hurt, but because of the context and your relationship to your friend, the hurt is removed and the meaning changes. If your two characters are close, they might easily beat on each other verbally in ways that wouldn't be acceptable between people who weren't close, and that wouldn't be offensive because it's clear neither of them is truly hurt. (There are still lines, of course - you don't get to knife your friend, and your character is probably not going to call her roommate a faggot. But "lesbo" is pretty far on the innocuous side, so I wouldn't worry about that much at least.) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

psychop_rex 2009-05-31 05:03 pm UTC (link)

No, he definitely wouldn't call her that. He's not homophobic, he's just one of those people who heckles his friends a lot. He can get pretty over-the-top at times, to which she reacts in exasperation, but there's a general understanding that it's just teasing. Sorry, I didn't mean to blather on about my comic strip, but I've had some issues with censorship in the past, and I was worried that I might have indeed gone too far. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-05-31 05:50 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, not at all. It sounds interesting, actually, and it's very cool that you're trying to be aware of that kind of thing. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-05-31 06:39 pm UTC (link)
	Glad you think so - I'm rather proud of it, actually, though it's no great shakes in the art department. Maybe I'll post some of them on here at some point, after I've mastered the art of posting at all. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	pyrotwilight 2009-05-30 10:23 am UTC (link)
	I'm assuming so. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	merseybeatler 2009-05-30 10:23 am UTC (link)
	Wait, what's with the first picture of the three Batgals? Who is the tiny purple one supposed to be? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	thandrak 2009-05-30 02:47 pm UTC (link)
	Tiny _purple_ one. Spoiler! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bariman1987 2009-05-30 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	Batgirl from "The Batman" cartoon. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-05-31 04:59 am UTC (link)
	I'm fairly certain the short purple one was meant to be Cassandra - I remember seeing the black and white original on deviantart and the artist commented that they may have made Cass too short. I imagine someone else has coloured the piece and either doesn't like or doesn't know about her. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lieut_kettch 2009-05-30 10:26 am UTC (link)
	That first scan-- I recognize Kate and Babs, but who's the teenage redhead? Charlie? (Reply to this) (Reply to this)

	menagerie 2009-05-30 12:17 pm UTC (link)
	Those last two images are stunning. In the first, I hope that's not the new Batgirl outfit. The stitches seem superfluous without the bottom half... (Reply to this)

	kali921 2009-05-30 02:52 pm UTC (link)
	Who did the bottom cover? It's GORGEOUS. Who is the artist, and what's the issue number? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-05-30 02:57 pm UTC (link)
	That's 'Tec 855, by JH Williams. I'm kinda stoked. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kali921 2009-05-30 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	Gracias! I was just about to look it up. You saved me a trip to DC's website. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	seawolf10 2009-05-30 06:59 pm UTC (link)
	That Dustin Nguyen pic (first large one) is GORGEOUS. And I like the second one -- although that's a bit of a deep neckline to be putting on Misfit. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-05-30 10:11 pm UTC (link)
	that's a bit of a deep neckline to be putting on Misfit. Also, aesthetically, it's a bit bare. Needs a choker or something to fill that vast negative space (also a problem Diana has to some extent, and why I like the torc from this image so much). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thebigapricot 2009-05-30 11:58 pm UTC (link)
	Oh the cover art for 'Tec is simply stunning. Now I will continue to wish very, very hard it will be as good inside. (it will won't it? I mean it's Rucka, I love his stuff.) (Reply to this)