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Tweak says, "Bust out the white dragon!"

arbre_rieur (arbre_rieur) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-05-19 01:54:00

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title: star trek

'I got so damn sick and tired of hearing, "Patrick Stewart doesn't like the shape of his head..."'
Some excerpts from the Star Trek Writer's Roundtable, one of the Pro2Pro Roundtables that TwoMorrows Publishing puts out. Various Trek comic book writers discuss the hassles and difficulties of doing licensed comics for a TV property...

This first part is in response to the question of, "What do you find the largest challenge in adapting Star Trek from television to comic books?

Jumping forward a bit... We're still on the same question.

This next part's in response to, "Can you compare what it was like writing
Star Trek for different companies?" (As you probably notice by now, I'm cutting out huge chunks of the roundtable.)

Jumping ahead again...

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	trueredorion 2009-05-19 04:58 am UTC (link)
	Is this technically allowed? It does have Peter "Asshole" David involved. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-05-19 05:23 am UTC (link)
	It also doesn't have a comic page scanned (as such) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	angelophile 2009-05-19 05:24 am UTC (link)
	Right on both points. It's an interesting read, mind you, but I'm not sure this is the place for the post as it is. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	arbre_rieur 2009-05-19 05:38 am UTC (link)
	It's an article about comics from a magazine about comics from a publisher that specializes in magazines about comics. I didn't see how it's any less legal than one of DiDio's DC Nation pages or a Wizard article, both of which I'm almost positive I've seen be as the entirety of posts. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	angelophile 2009-05-19 10:03 am UTC (link)
	Only in terms of legality requiring: "Each post must have at least one image scanned from a comic". technically the cover image within the scans could count, I guess. It's the combination of that and the PAD content which makes it borderline. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	arbre_rieur 2009-05-19 11:03 am UTC (link)
	I can see that. Would it help if I incorporated more of the accompanying images from the article (stuff like the Adam Hughes drawing of Picard) and snipped out the PAD segments? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	angelophile 2009-05-19 11:36 am UTC (link)
	I think that would certainly help (especially cropping the PAD content). Simply including a scan from a comic, even one panel, would be enough to make it legal anyway. It's not really a big issue, it's just anything PAD related makes me skittish lately. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	schmevil 2009-05-19 12:48 pm UTC (link)
	How many mod icons did you make? g (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	angelophile 2009-05-20 09:37 am UTC (link)
	I like to mix things up a bit. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arbre_rieur 2009-05-19 06:18 am UTC (link)
	Isn't unpublished art by pros legal? How does the Captain Picard commission by Adam Hughes not count? Admittedly, it only got included accidentally because I was too lazy to white it out like I did the other images. Also, you can only see part of it. Okay, so maybe that's not the most convincing argument after all... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	arbre_rieur 2009-05-19 05:35 am UTC (link)
	Well, I suppose, but since TwoMorrows is offering it for free, I'm not sure on what grounds he can complain. I mean, if the copyright holder is okay with it... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	schmevil 2009-05-19 12:50 pm UTC (link)
	This comment really isn't in the spirit of "maintain[ing] a respectful tone towards fellow Homo sapiens" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	trueredorion 2009-05-19 02:19 pm UTC (link)
	Should I delete it? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-05-21 05:46 pm UTC (link)
	My goodness, sorry it took me so long to respond. Your reply got lost in my inbox. I'd prefer if we could edit it, but unfortunately IJ doesn't allow it. So we'll let it stand as is, with our conversation here to note its inappropriateness. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	skywaterblue 2009-05-19 05:39 am UTC (link)
	I think this post is a great read; if it gets bounced, you could put it up on dreamwidth's startrek and I'd love to host it. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	arbre_rieur 2009-05-19 06:10 am UTC (link)
	Thanks! Here's hoping it doesn't come to that, though... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bluefall 2009-05-19 09:16 am UTC (link)
	I've read TOS comics that make the source material seem like the dullest thing imaginable and Voyager comics that make the source material seem fresh and thrilling. Both are wrong. Heh. Mike Barr just became my hero. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	seriousfic 2009-05-19 11:18 am UTC (link)
	This. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	silicone_soul 2009-05-19 09:32 am UTC (link)
	Ah, yes, the difficulty of reconciling the discrepant visual conventions of live-action drama and exaggerated superheroics. I'm getting horrific flashbacks to the first Star Trek/X-Men crossover, here. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	midnightvoyager 2009-05-19 09:50 am UTC (link)
	cracks up WOW. That's... amazing. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	seriousfic 2009-05-19 11:18 am UTC (link)
	To be fair, if you put T'Pol next to, say, Huntress... it might be hard to tell the difference. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

silicone_soul
2009-05-19 11:31 am UTC (link)

It's not that there can't be any overlap - in fact, the follow-up to this story has an artist who does an absolutely brilliant job: Wolverine is buffer than Riker and Picard, but Nightcrawler isn't, Worf is bigger than anyone else on either side except for Colossus, etc. The Trek characters even look recognizable without sticking out or looking traced.

It's just that this particular penciller (Marc Silvestri, I think) didn't even try to create any kind of stylistic harmony.

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	silicone_soul 2009-05-19 11:42 am UTC (link)
	A sample page from the aforementioned follow-up. That's how you do it right. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	interrobamf 2009-05-19 01:20 pm UTC (link)
	The dialogue is amazingly painful, though. But I probably shouldn't expect much. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	goblinthebamf 2009-05-19 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	heehee, Kitty hanging out with Geordi and Data makes my day. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-05-19 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	Sweet Jesus could they have made Piotr look any stupider being that big (though I'm amused in light of the conversation just how statically posed the Trekkers are compared to the X-Men. (Reply to this) (Parent)

halloweenjack
2009-05-19 11:00 am UTC (link)

Even though I'm no less resentful toward PAD than anyone else here because of past events, I have to admit that he's right about Trek comics that can't convincingly reproduce the characters' likenesses. Even though I'm a Trek fan of the earliest extraction, and a comics fan for almost as long, I've never liked Trek comics because the characters didn't look much like they did on screen and quite often the other visual references (ships, equipment, etc.) were completely wrong.

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	perletwo 2009-05-19 08:11 pm UTC (link)
	I confess that though I'm a Trek fan, I've never really gotten into the comic adaptations. This article now has me curious about the Janeway=Jean art the guy's referring to - anyone know what book they're talking about, or have a page to post? (Reply to this)